smith&wesson quality control

S&w Qc

When I was going through the Police Academy in 1970 (man, I'm old) they were issuing us Model 15 Combat Masterpiece handguns. Fifteen of 32 weapons would not fire, new, out of the box. Of the fifteen, our armorer (who had S&W armorers training) was able to get eleven working well. Mine was one of the four which had to be returned to S&W for their kid glove treatment. All four came in a month later in superb shooting condition.

S&W, like nearly all gun companies go through cycles in product quality. Could be the cost cutting measures, perhaps a manpower turnover or maybe the beancounters eliminate or combine some operations to shorten production cycles. Whatever the cause, it seems to be a trap gun companies fall in to even more than most manufacturing operations. The real crime lies in the fact that with guns, someones life may be depending on things working correctly.
 
I've been buying new S&W's since 1960. I've also looked at and handled hundreds at various gunshops and gun shows. I think the worst period for badly assembled guns was from about 1978 to around 1988 or so. I saw 629's with several cylinder flutes only half cut, other guns with barrels screwed in too far or not far enough, rough chambers and really bad grips that had gaps with very rough checkering. Todays S&W's are actually pretty good again. The trigger pulls are heavier but that's a liability issue. I have some recent examples in my collection that are fitted as good or better than some of my very early ones. :)
 
Is it true that smith&wesson has had quality control issues?
It takes a really large sample to discover the rate of 'defects' and only S&W will have those figures. The rest is heresay and individual experience. Your mileage may vary... ;)

Are they currently making a good revolver?
They make several good revolvers. Take your pick. :D

How does quality compare to older models?
See first answer above...

My $0.02...
 
Not to throw fuel on the fire, but......

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When I compare a nice set of pre-numbered outdoorsmans (top one is unfired and the bottom is my shooter) to a set of modern 610's and use them as representative of two vintages of S&W that anyone would even question S&W has an issue with quality and quality control. Just look at the fit and finish on the OD's vs. the 610's. Look at the lack of polish, the rough grips, the finish on the cylinders.

I did not even try and take advantage of the situation by using pre-war guns.

The Outdoorsman and the 610 would cater to the same power crowd of the vintage. This is pre-44 magnum time, so while the 357 magnum is the "Casull" of the time, and the 38/44 would be the 10mm equivalent, I think this is a reasonable comparison.


Every time I see this question asked, I think, "geeze, they obviously never picked up an older smith or they would not be wasting the bandwidth".


Ok, flame away, sorry for throwing gas on the fire (but heck it was only $2.45 a gallon today :) ).
 
Ok, so my taste in guns is better then my skill in photography.

I will try and shoot some better photographs this weekend.

Sorry about that.
 
what was the price of gas when the ODs where made? vs now? If they could stay in business selling 610s at like 1800 bucks they probably would look as nice as the old N frame pre war guns. Back when they still made the old hand fitted trippel lock you could buy a few horses for what that gun cost..compare that to what a Smith costs now to a new standard mode of transportation on the truck lot...the cheep Glocks have pretty much took all the quality out of any gun idea.
 
I have collected N frames for years.
I have new ones, , but the nicest one I have is an old pinned and recessed model 29 that I picked up in a pawn shop at a good price because it had some finish wear and rust spots on the outside.
The quality was sooo much nicer and the action felt like a custom gun or a python in comparison with the new ones. One of these days, I will get it reblued, but for now, I just enjoy her the way she is. Smooth light trigger pull, tight lock up, excellent machining. A beauty to my eyes, if not to the fellow who used her in rough conditions before letting her go.
 
Jack

It sounds like this one...
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Nothing like a quality control error... ;) The trigger action is only surpassed (slightly) by my Colt Python... :D
 
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