SMITH & WESSON IN TROUBLE

DC, you hit the nail on the head:

Mr. Spitzer said that if Smith & Wesson was undermined financially, it would weaken the government's hand in drawing other gun makers into similar agreements. "If one company signs on and is left out to dry, we
can't credibly go to other companies and ask them to join this agreement," he said.

Our actions are going to destroy the company. S&W will only be worth a fraction of its current value due to the decision they made. When other companies see this there is no way they will sign on and that is what the govt fears. They can give preferential treatment in the bid process by asking for 'lowest and best bid', but S&W will not survive on 20% of their business. LE will be all that is left because dealers will not comply with the electronic tracking, training, full cap mag ban, and storage requirement that S&W committed them to. To prove an anti-trust action you must be able to prove that companies got together and conspired to put S&W out of business. That will be impossible because it did not happen. Each dealer will have come to the same decision independently.
 
I was a little hesitant at first to crucify S&W fully, but now I will do all I can to help them go down the tubes. We need to do this JUST to show them *ssholes in the state and feds what we the "gun lovers" can do. I go to gun shows and I will put a large sign proclaiming how phony they are!!!!

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From my cold dead hands.
 
I haven't been this discussed since the OJ trial. Clinton is the epidimy of why we have term limits for elected officials! He is truly a dangerous Socialist/Fascist
leader. He is after the gun industry and is going to do anything he can to break their back and subsequently disarm the people.

What the public is not aware of is that the agreement that S&W signed makes it just about impossible for dealers to comply and sell their products. The deal goes so far as to state that anyone under 18 years of age cannot enter a store that sells S&W firearms without an adult. So if a dealer sells S&W, they cannot even allow persons under 18 years of age to enter their store!! How are dealers suppose to comply with this? It will hurt a business if they have to sell S&W
firearms because they will subsequently lose business from minors buying hunting, fishing licenses, fishing supplies, ect. The press never talks about this! It all makes me sick.
 
How about a ban on Smith & Wesson products at gun shows?

I would think that the gun show promoters would have a right to restrict products displayed.

The United Auto Workers Union used to ban imported cars from their parking lots (they may still) and they never got in trouble.
 
Business Law 101 says 1. one group can not control the terms of a business relationship between two other entities. S&W can not control a commercial relationship between its distributor and another manufacturer, 2. No contract signed under duress is enforceable by any court.

Distributors and retailers are free to do business with whichever company they see fit. The government cannot mandate that they do otherwise. This is nothing more than a company recognizing that it made a terrible decision and looking to save face.

My prediction: S&W will be looking for a way out of this deal with the devil, and VERY soon

The civil lawsuits will start soon. If this "deal" is allowed to stand, it will turn commercial law on its head.

Just one thought. Has the gov't just nationalized S&W?

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
It's a reminder that, to the Clinton Administration, black is white and white is black, evil is good and good is evil, the distinction between right and wrong is merely a matter of convenience, and reality is whatever the Feds (and the media) say it is.

Anyway, I'd like to know if S&W actually *wants* the help of the Feds and the state AGs. If S&W seeks or accepts their help against the rest of the gun industry, it'll just widen the rift. But then, given the lack of wisdom S&W has already shown, maybe it's just determined to make matters worse for itself.

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Life is hard and Slick & Wesson better get used to it, because it is only going to get HARDER.

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BOYCOTT SLICK & WESSON

"To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it."
Confucius
 
Bob Locke you hit the nail on the head. Distributors, dealers and consumers should be(and are) free to make business decisions without government intervention. The thing here that smells fishy is that the government is willing to give preferential treatment to S&W for knuckling under to what I believe is an illegal intrusion into private industry. Apparently, it is now acceptable for the government to spend tax payer money without competitive bidding, but it is not acceptable for private businesses and consumers to buy as they wish.
 
Retail gun buyers won't buy S&W, so retailers won't stock them. Now this basic free market economy principle becomes a "conspiracy" to drive poor S&W out of business.

Boycotting by individual buyers is legal; and apparently it works, because S&W is finally getting a good hard look at its bleak future.
 
Maybe when S&W declares bankruptcy later this year Rich can buy the company for pennies on the dollar and sell some 'shares' to us to generate a little capital. We could call off the boycott and buy S&W again. Then again I bet Don Zilkha is going to be looking for a way to fill the revolver niche in his line since dropping production of all Colt revolvers last year.
 
I thought I told you guys to put me on the S&W conspiracy mailing list. Argggg. I hate missing out on the all conspiracies. So whats next in the S&W conspiracy plan, maybe we should start and organization called PETGO (People for Ethical Treatment of Gun Owners) and go and let all the guns trapped in S&W factories free, or protest our unethical treatment of Gun Owners infront of some government building some where. Yeah

Anyway, the government is right this is an anti-trust case, cuz I don't trust S&W anymore

Question has anyone ever seen an advertisements by Gun Manf. for Firearms outside of Gun Mags? I'm not counting you local dealer that puts his sales in the newspaper. Cuz I haven't so I don't know how the Gov;t can say they market to criminals and Juveniles. Just wondering thanks.

Ok, I'm done,

"Silly Rabbit Trix are for kids" -Trix Commercial won't the government ever learn?


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It ain't mah fault. did I do dat?
 
Just responded to the NY Times article with a letter to the editor--which will probably go where the rest seem to end up. I stated my opinion that what they were seeing was a grass roots upward revulsion to what S&W did and its consequences. I further stated that shooters, being the easily manipulated sorts they were, might just use this as an excuse to go buy a couple of guns from alternative sources--then send the (personal data deleted) sales slips to the White House with a tea bag attached. (I've been wanting to try out a P-97...)

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I'm behind you guys 110%!! Let em rot!! Anyone who buys a S&W is helping the enemy,period!!! Keep the pressure on those suckers! They'll understand sooner or later it's the LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS voices they're hearing pounding in thier heads!!!!!
 
This is not anti-trust. This is not conspiracy. It is the will of the people. RSR, Sports Southwest or Bachman can do business with whom they choose.

Okay I get it now. It's okay for the various governments to dictate that only S&W products will be bought but the people have no choice to tell Suck-up n Wimper to take a hike.

Now more than ever, it is important that we all stand firm and continue to boycott these slime bags who have dealt with the devil to betray We The People!
 
This whole thing couldn't have come at a worse time for me. I wanted to buy my son an SLR-95. I thought it was important that he have a reliable rifle. Now I have to use that money to purchase a Glock handgun instead. I never thought I'd ever buy one of those things (Glocks), They just always seemed to be too radical. I wanted to get him a Colt 1911A1, but colt sold out too. While at my gunsmith, he told me that Glocks (he's biased towards 1911's for sentamental reasons), are perhaps some of the finest handguns to ever be produced. Since reliablility is my number one concern, I will purchase a Glock next week. Now I have to figure out which one to get.
 
The only "anti-trust" in this administration is between its leadership and the people of the country.

They don't trust us, and we don't trust them.
 
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