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Smith and Wesson M&P 15
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zombieslayer
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I'd rather have the Sig at any price.
zombieslayer
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Well Blackops- I don't care if mine were DI or piston, if the piston design is so bad then Smith sucks even extra for selling me two of them. They sold me two AR rifles that sucked bad, and never fixed them. Oi wasn't going to go into all that. I was justr stating that I'd much rather have a Sig. Being that two M&P's crapped out on me, that's not really unreasonable.
christcorp
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M&P15's; other than the "SPORT" are FAR from being "Entry Level". I'm sure that was a poor choice of words.
If you are patient, and know how to shop, you can do real well with $1000. On sale, you can pick up the M&P15-OR (Optical Ready) for $650-$750. "No reason to buy a "Sport" when you can get a good sale on the "-OR". The Sport is fine for impatient people who want to spend $700. After sales and rebates, I got my -OR for $649.
The other $350 you can spend on some decent Iron-Sights, magazines, and ammo. If you already have magazines and ammo; you could spend it on an EoTech optic. "$368 from Sportsman's Warehouse". If you don't have magazines, you can go to Brownells. They have a sale on 20 round Tan USGI magazines; brand new Mil-Spec USGI; for $7.99 each. "I prefer 20 round over 30. Easier to shoot prone and on the bench - the magazine doesn't hit the ground or table". You can get 1000 rounds of good steel case ammo for about $200-$220. You have a lot of options for $1000.
But be assured, the S&W M&P15, Non-Sport model, is far from being an "Entry Level" AR15. It's an excellent choice. Even by the same standards that most of the Colt, LMT, BCM, Nove, Daniel, etc... crowd base their "Quality" on, the M&P15 meets pretty much most of those same standards. And now that all of the parts are made in-house, the quality is superb.
If you are patient, and know how to shop, you can do real well with $1000. On sale, you can pick up the M&P15-OR (Optical Ready) for $650-$750. "No reason to buy a "Sport" when you can get a good sale on the "-OR". The Sport is fine for impatient people who want to spend $700. After sales and rebates, I got my -OR for $649.
The other $350 you can spend on some decent Iron-Sights, magazines, and ammo. If you already have magazines and ammo; you could spend it on an EoTech optic. "$368 from Sportsman's Warehouse". If you don't have magazines, you can go to Brownells. They have a sale on 20 round Tan USGI magazines; brand new Mil-Spec USGI; for $7.99 each. "I prefer 20 round over 30. Easier to shoot prone and on the bench - the magazine doesn't hit the ground or table". You can get 1000 rounds of good steel case ammo for about $200-$220. You have a lot of options for $1000.
But be assured, the S&W M&P15, Non-Sport model, is far from being an "Entry Level" AR15. It's an excellent choice. Even by the same standards that most of the Colt, LMT, BCM, Nove, Daniel, etc... crowd base their "Quality" on, the M&P15 meets pretty much most of those same standards. And now that all of the parts are made in-house, the quality is superb.
I completely understand but just make sure he is asking about the Piston one. It would be an unfair comparison to down the DI driven M&P 15s based on the result of their Piston driven ones. Have you asked them if you could exchange the piston AR for a DI? I know they probably wouldn't but still.
RedNeckWino
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Bushmaster makes a good rifle and a used one I saw 3 days ago was about $750 with a 2 stage trigger, hogue grip, and magpull 6 position stock.
christcorp
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I'd be "Hard Pressed" to buy a Bushmaster NEW for $750. I definitely would NEVER buy a used one for that price. Bushmaster is one of the biggest scams in the world. In their day, Bushmaster was a very good AR15. They, and colt, were the standard by which all AR15's would be compared to. But that was years ago. Today's Bushmaster is nowhere near the same Bushmaster of 20 years ago. And it's definitely not worth the $1000+ that they want for one. You are spending $300-$500 extra for their name. And that name no longer represents the quality that it did years ago. They are the pickiest with ammo and have cut too many corners. Whenever I read reviews of problems with certain ammo, accuracy, part failures, etc... I can't tell you how many times I read the words: "In my Bushmaster". I see more complaints from Bushmaster owners than most other manufacturers. I put them in the same quality bracket as Double-Star, Olympic, etc...
You can buy a quality brand new M&P15 for $750 easily. "Cheaper if you're patient". You can buy a colt for $899. I definitely wouldn't spend $750 on a used Bushmaster; and definitely not their $1000 price range for a new one.
You can buy a quality brand new M&P15 for $750 easily. "Cheaper if you're patient". You can buy a colt for $899. I definitely wouldn't spend $750 on a used Bushmaster; and definitely not their $1000 price range for a new one.
zombieslayer
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Another thing about the M&P- unless you like a trigger way heavier than the gun, plan to spend at least a little coin on a trigger upgrade. I know my factory triggers were well over 12lbs. You could charge it, then suspend the gun entirely by the trigger without it breaking. And that was with sling, mag, eotech, batteries, steel yhm sights. Crappy triggers to say the least.
christcorp
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Zombie; you must seriously have the worst luck in all the world. My M&P15, as well as 2 others I turned friends onto, are perfect right out of the box. Including the triggers. Without having scaled it, but comparing it to many of my other rifles; some of which I have scaled and done trigger work on; I'd say that my M&P15 out of the box right now, is shooting with probably a 6lb trigger pull. Give or take. Very little if any play. Crisp. I love it. I wouldn't even consider having the trigger worked on.
The M&P15 is probably the best when it comes to ammo. There isn't 1 brand of ammo; brass or steel case; that this rifle won't shoot accurately and reliably. It's perfect.
The majority of posts, reviews, comments, etc... that I read "Prior to purchasing" this rifle, seems to share my conclusions. That's one of the reasons I waited for a good sale, and I bought this rifle. I didn't just walk into a shop with money burning in my pocket. I researched various AR's for about 6 months. I wouldn't spend the normal $950 on this AR, but I knew that if I could find one at the right price, that it would definitely be the gun I wanted. I found it on sale about 60 miles away. I noticed it on a road trip coming back from Denver Airport picking up my wife. When I saw that I could save $300 on it; after doing all the research; I definitely was buying it.
I've had it about 4 1/2 months now, and have close to 2000 rounds through it. 90% steel case mix of wolf, MFS, Bear, Barnaul, Tula, and Herters. The other 10% is PMC Bronze, Hornady TAP, and mil-surplus 5.56. The rifle will shoot anything you feed it. The only modifications I've done to it was to add a set of iron sights to it, (Yankee), Added a 2x red-dot, (A1optics), and also a ST-T2 buffer. Other than that, it's stock. I haven't had to mess with triggers, BCG, or anything. I average around 5000 rounds a year through most of my non-hunting rifles. That may not seem like much, but with about 5-6 rifles, that's about 30,000 rounds. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your M&P15, but you're definitely one of the exceptions.
The M&P15 is probably the best when it comes to ammo. There isn't 1 brand of ammo; brass or steel case; that this rifle won't shoot accurately and reliably. It's perfect.
The majority of posts, reviews, comments, etc... that I read "Prior to purchasing" this rifle, seems to share my conclusions. That's one of the reasons I waited for a good sale, and I bought this rifle. I didn't just walk into a shop with money burning in my pocket. I researched various AR's for about 6 months. I wouldn't spend the normal $950 on this AR, but I knew that if I could find one at the right price, that it would definitely be the gun I wanted. I found it on sale about 60 miles away. I noticed it on a road trip coming back from Denver Airport picking up my wife. When I saw that I could save $300 on it; after doing all the research; I definitely was buying it.
I've had it about 4 1/2 months now, and have close to 2000 rounds through it. 90% steel case mix of wolf, MFS, Bear, Barnaul, Tula, and Herters. The other 10% is PMC Bronze, Hornady TAP, and mil-surplus 5.56. The rifle will shoot anything you feed it. The only modifications I've done to it was to add a set of iron sights to it, (Yankee), Added a 2x red-dot, (A1optics), and also a ST-T2 buffer. Other than that, it's stock. I haven't had to mess with triggers, BCG, or anything. I average around 5000 rounds a year through most of my non-hunting rifles. That may not seem like much, but with about 5-6 rifles, that's about 30,000 rounds. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your M&P15, but you're definitely one of the exceptions.
zombieslayer
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My triggers made me appreciate the stock trigger on my mini 14. 6lb factory M&P triggers what production year? When I had my M&Ps I checked around and they all had Uber-heavy gritty triggers. If yours are 6lbs, I'd say you're the lucky one. I got lawyer triggers.
christcorp
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My rifle is a 2010 production. I bought it this past christmas. I remember my first outing trying it out, I fired at least 2-3 rounds in the first magazine unintentionally. I was aiming down range, but wasn't quite ready to pull the trigger. I was use to my AK's, and other rifles. It didn't take nearly as much pressure as i thought it would. I don't have a legitimate trigger scale, but i can borrow one or use my 1-15lb fish scale. I'll see what it measures at.