There are plenty of real world examples I can think of where a person has lost control of thier handgun and people have been injured and killed as a result. Ironically, however, this technology and the laws behind it won't help one bit, because every case that comes to mind involves an LEO and as already mentioned they're exempt. Go figure... lol
Smart Guns
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There are plenty of real world examples I can think of where a person has lost control of thier handgun and people have been injured and killed as a result. Ironically, however, this technology and the laws behind it won't help one bit, because every case that comes to mind involves an LEO and as already mentioned they're exempt. Go figure... lol
Garand Illusion
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Dang it, NetZapper! I just hacked into Dianne Feinstein's PC, and she has cut and pasted your post on having built in GPS and a firing authorization center into a new bill! :barf:
Given the simplicity of what a gun does -- slam a pin into a bullet from a mechanical device -- of course this could be defeated. I'm sure they'll write up laws making it a federal felony to do so, but again this will only affect the law abiding.
I do hope they never make this technology a requirement for firearms, but honestly I would love to see it as an option. And I would FORCE LEO's to carry it, since as has been stated they are the most likely to be killed by their own weapons.
Although the smart guns could be defeated with some work, they would defeat the guy who wants to snatch a gun and immediately turn it around and pull the trigger.
Given the simplicity of what a gun does -- slam a pin into a bullet from a mechanical device -- of course this could be defeated. I'm sure they'll write up laws making it a federal felony to do so, but again this will only affect the law abiding.
I do hope they never make this technology a requirement for firearms, but honestly I would love to see it as an option. And I would FORCE LEO's to carry it, since as has been stated they are the most likely to be killed by their own weapons.
Although the smart guns could be defeated with some work, they would defeat the guy who wants to snatch a gun and immediately turn it around and pull the trigger.
Guy B. Meredith
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HELLO?? Forget geeks getting into your gun. Just do as I would do--pull the friggin chip OUT of the gun, find the leads that go to the solenoid or other electrically actuated lock and put a battery across the wires. KISS. 
If you can make it function without a battery by ripping the switch out, THEN PULL THAT OUT. That's what every 12 year old playing with Daddy's gun because he doesn't need to take responsibility for locking it up properly is going to do.
SHEEEESH!
Better yet, do the above in front of the 'smart gun' proponents at a news conference.
If you can make it function without a battery by ripping the switch out, THEN PULL THAT OUT. That's what every 12 year old playing with Daddy's gun because he doesn't need to take responsibility for locking it up properly is going to do.
SHEEEESH!
Better yet, do the above in front of the 'smart gun' proponents at a news conference.
Limeyfellow
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Yes it will really piss of people when we get a nuke dropped on us and we won't be able to fire our handguns because of an emp.
Garand Illusion
as long as it's proven technology. Trusting our lives to technology/computers is something we do every day whether we think about it or not. Whenever you get on a plane, take a commuter train, when you get in an accident and hope the air bag deploys -- even when you apply your ABS brakes on an icy street
I wish the ABS on my car worked. I need to go in and disable it someday. (Just like the smart guns.
) It works find until you slam hard on the brakes. (Just the best place for them to do that, ) When you do that the "Oh sh*t" light comes on. The best part is that once it quits, the brakes aren't getting the same brake pressure. So until I shut off the car, braking is an interesting experience. The problem is in the cars computer and it is over $1000 to fix it. (I paid only $4,000 for the car.) So I have to put up with it working most of the time.
as long as it's proven technology. Trusting our lives to technology/computers is something we do every day whether we think about it or not. Whenever you get on a plane, take a commuter train, when you get in an accident and hope the air bag deploys -- even when you apply your ABS brakes on an icy street
I wish the ABS on my car worked. I need to go in and disable it someday. (Just like the smart guns.
) It works find until you slam hard on the brakes. (Just the best place for them to do that, ) When you do that the "Oh sh*t" light comes on. The best part is that once it quits, the brakes aren't getting the same brake pressure. So until I shut off the car, braking is an interesting experience. The problem is in the cars computer and it is over $1000 to fix it. (I paid only $4,000 for the car.) So I have to put up with it working most of the time.Garand Illusion
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Hey Crosshairs ...
Most ABS systems can be disabled just by pulling a fuse (which one depends on model, of course).
I've heard that all NY taxi drivers disable ABS. And I know for a fact there are several ABS systems that just plain make the car more dangerous, sometimes engaging when hitting a bump and causing the driver to rear end the car in front of him ('97 - 98 Isuzu rodeos, and I'm sure there are others).
And of course many off-roaders driving late model vehcile disable abs before going off-road.
To me ... ABS is mostly for people who don't know how to drive real well on ice. Those who do can often do better with their normal "bag of tricks."
I drive well on ice (even race in ice racing competitions in the winter) but still do like ABS on my on-road vehicle. Just my preference.
Most ABS systems can be disabled just by pulling a fuse (which one depends on model, of course).
I've heard that all NY taxi drivers disable ABS. And I know for a fact there are several ABS systems that just plain make the car more dangerous, sometimes engaging when hitting a bump and causing the driver to rear end the car in front of him ('97 - 98 Isuzu rodeos, and I'm sure there are others).
And of course many off-roaders driving late model vehcile disable abs before going off-road.
To me ... ABS is mostly for people who don't know how to drive real well on ice. Those who do can often do better with their normal "bag of tricks."
I drive well on ice (even race in ice racing competitions in the winter) but still do like ABS on my on-road vehicle. Just my preference.
Garand Illusion
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Hey CH ...
bummer they don't have a specific fuse for ABS. Isuzu actually does, so you can disable their ABS quite easily -- just have to get used to seeing the red light on the dashboard.
I guess it depends upon the vehicle and its electric design -- but you're right; don't want to disable anything but the ABS!
Never done this before, but most modern ABS systems have sensors on the axles and wires running back to them. Might be worth looking at to see if pulling those wires would help?
To keep this post gun related, if you decide to shoot the wires out I would suggest a .410 with birdshot so as not to get overpenetration.
IANAM (I Am Not A Mechanic).
bummer they don't have a specific fuse for ABS. Isuzu actually does, so you can disable their ABS quite easily -- just have to get used to seeing the red light on the dashboard.
I guess it depends upon the vehicle and its electric design -- but you're right; don't want to disable anything but the ABS!
Never done this before, but most modern ABS systems have sensors on the axles and wires running back to them. Might be worth looking at to see if pulling those wires would help?
To keep this post gun related, if you decide to shoot the wires out I would suggest a .410 with birdshot so as not to get overpenetration.
IANAM (I Am Not A Mechanic).
LOL Garand Illusion 
I know how to disable it, though it requires a soldering iron and some other tools. The big difficulty is that without it the brakes like to go to 100% with very little pressure applied. It's a big mess really. 
*Sigh* I miss my old Escort. Only thing powered was the steering and the brakes. (No ABS) Could put the rear seat down and fit more guns in it too.
I know how to disable it, though it requires a soldering iron and some other tools. The big difficulty is that without it the brakes like to go to 100% with very little pressure applied. It's a big mess really. *Sigh* I miss my old Escort. Only thing powered was the steering and the brakes. (No ABS) Could put the rear seat down and fit more guns in it too. What I learned in the military......
electric/computer crap breaks
or they dont have replacment batteries
the middle of nowhere does not have many wall sockets
no substitute for a brain and no. 2 pencil/paper/forms and knowledge of manual procedures
need to know how to read maps the old fashioned way
no substitute for basic marksman ship skills
the more you depend on electronic crap the more it breaks.
so gimme a rifle or pistol withot out any gee whiz stuff
electric/computer crap breaks
or they dont have replacment batteries
the middle of nowhere does not have many wall sockets
no substitute for a brain and no. 2 pencil/paper/forms and knowledge of manual procedures
need to know how to read maps the old fashioned way
no substitute for basic marksman ship skills
the more you depend on electronic crap the more it breaks.
so gimme a rifle or pistol withot out any gee whiz stuff
Garand Illusion
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What I learned from living in the 21st century ...
1. Not every "new fangled" idea is bad -- many of them add to the quality of our lives.
2. Things that are new and scary now will be old hat in 5 years.
3. You can embrace technology or run from it, but it will be part of your everyday life whether you like it or not (but it will be annoying at times -- i.e. cell phones).
Like I said before ... I don't want it forced to be on all weapons, and I'll be waiting to see who embraces it first, but I'm not skeered of it just because it brings another level of sophistication.
And has been said ... of course whatever it is can be defeated. Just like you can defeat tracing a gun by serial number by grinding the serial number off.
But doing the latter will get you in a manure-load worth of trouble!
1. Not every "new fangled" idea is bad -- many of them add to the quality of our lives.
2. Things that are new and scary now will be old hat in 5 years.
3. You can embrace technology or run from it, but it will be part of your everyday life whether you like it or not (but it will be annoying at times -- i.e. cell phones).
Like I said before ... I don't want it forced to be on all weapons, and I'll be waiting to see who embraces it first, but I'm not skeered of it just because it brings another level of sophistication.
And has been said ... of course whatever it is can be defeated. Just like you can defeat tracing a gun by serial number by grinding the serial number off.
But doing the latter will get you in a manure-load worth of trouble!
Garand Illusion
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Love playing the devil's advocate ... which is what I'm doing here ...
Anyone too dumb to replace their batteries once a year is too dumb to carry a gun. And quite frankly the BG is doing us all a favor; he's removing from the gene pool a gun owner who doesn't maintain his equipment and committing an act that will hopefully put him in jail and keep him from reproducing as well (most forced-prison-shower-sex doesn't result in a pregnancy).
All guns need some maintenance. There are any number of reasons they may FTF if not properly maintained, though obviously a battery dead in your scenario would be a show stopper.
Did I mention I DIDN'T want a law that they be put on all guns, but that once the technology is proven it be offered as an option?
Anyone too dumb to replace their batteries once a year is too dumb to carry a gun. And quite frankly the BG is doing us all a favor; he's removing from the gene pool a gun owner who doesn't maintain his equipment and committing an act that will hopefully put him in jail and keep him from reproducing as well (most forced-prison-shower-sex doesn't result in a pregnancy).
All guns need some maintenance. There are any number of reasons they may FTF if not properly maintained, though obviously a battery dead in your scenario would be a show stopper.
Did I mention I DIDN'T want a law that they be put on all guns, but that once the technology is proven it be offered as an option?
Guy B. Meredith
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Except for preventing gun grabs by bad guys and for toddler tamper proofing, the smart gun will never be 'proven'. I don't carry and I don't have children around so it will not ever be an option for me.
Solder gun at the ready...
Solder gun at the ready...
Really, I think that I might like a smart gun, assuming it were of the relatively benign doesn't-work-except-for-the-owner variety, and not the tracked-and-computer-controlled variety.
While it's definitely no excuse for poor retention techniques, the peace of mind that a user-keyed weapon might give would be nice. My suggestion on design would be a chip implanted in one's finger that one keys to one's weapon(s). That said, I also understand that most people are squeamish about the idea of getting an implant. However, I would demand that all gun makers standardize on a system so that I only need one implant for all of my smartguns.
As for batteries dying... well, remember to change them. It's not like these are high-consumption devices, so there's no reason that they should need to be replaced more than once a year or something. And if you're that paranoid, change them every 1000 rounds or something. An extra $12 for a battery every couple of months isn't a huge burden.
While it's definitely no excuse for poor retention techniques, the peace of mind that a user-keyed weapon might give would be nice. My suggestion on design would be a chip implanted in one's finger that one keys to one's weapon(s). That said, I also understand that most people are squeamish about the idea of getting an implant. However, I would demand that all gun makers standardize on a system so that I only need one implant for all of my smartguns.
As for batteries dying... well, remember to change them. It's not like these are high-consumption devices, so there's no reason that they should need to be replaced more than once a year or something. And if you're that paranoid, change them every 1000 rounds or something. An extra $12 for a battery every couple of months isn't a huge burden.
Guy B. Meredith
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For my personal taste embedded anything is not an option. Well, maybe a pacemaker, but that need doesn't run in my family.
Alteration of my sacred bod is not part of my lifestyle.
Alteration of my sacred bod is not part of my lifestyle.