Smart Guns - A Stupid Idea

I think Muscles fails to realize that if the police and military are exempt from using the smart guns, it would be because they are inherently a bad idea. I don't need to see the final product to know that it's a bad idea. As some of the members have stated, KISS-keep it simple stupid, is one of the foundations of all sciences and mathematics.

To put it another way, ever hear of Occam's Razor? It says that all things being equal, the simplest explanation, will be the best one. Or, never postulate more than is necessary. This principle has been around for hundreds of years and when scientists form theories or mathematicians prove theorems, they keep this principle at the heart of their work. As should people in ALL works of life.

In the case of guns, their main purpose is to shoot out a bullet out of a barrell. To me, a gun that does it without codes, batteries, etc. is simpler than a gun with all of those things. In other words, you will not find a gun that is simpler than a glock or a makarov! This simplistic design of today's guns is exactly what makes them a better gun than the idiot smart guns--this is as true as 0=0--that is an intrinsic fact.

You say you don't have a problem with military and police being exempt from the idiot smart guns? Where have you been--ever heard of the 2nd amendment? What do you think the citizens of America have been doing for all these years? You fail to see that the idiot smart gun technology is a way for the government to take our guns away. I always knew that the government's push for these smart guns wasn't about safety--it's to get the good old stuff off the streets--the stuff that really works like they're supposed to!

Muscles--I suggest you read the 2nd amendment MANY times and then go buy the beans that jack talked to you about earlier.
 
Tecolote, what do you mean L.A. isn't the world ? I mean, I see those square states when I fly to and from N.Y., but you honestly expect me to believe people live there !! Jeez louise !! Talk about fantasy...

"Smart guns suck, blah blah blah", when I hear of the final product screwing up, I'll give you guys a serious apology. Just remember, if there was no controversy over gun laws, this would just be viewed as another product on the market. Did you guys whine when gunsafes or gunlocks came out ? How about Glocks patented "SafeAction" safety system ? When its legislated that dumb guns are unsafe, I'll care. Until then, its just another product on the market worth considering.

I take that back, I received my third and final firearm today. As of yet there is no need for me to have a smartgun. Nevertheless, this won't cause me to try and bankrupt two of this countries most esteemed gunmakers. Have a nice one !
 
So tell me once again: what are the merits of 'smart gun' over lockup and personal control? You say they prevent theft and that a computer/mechanical savy 13 year old isn't going to circumvent the mechanism?

I'm willing to lay money down that the next law will be regular inspection of firearms to make sure the legal owner hasn't disabled the mechanism. Hmm... But why would the mechanism need protecting if it does the job it was made for?
 
EMP.

By mandating "smart gun" technology, the government ensures that all firearms in civilian hands can be rendered useless at anytime.
No matter how "good" the technology gets, anything electronic is vulnerable.
What this amounts to is disarmament. No thanks.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Smart Firearms Jammer

by George E. Buss

Responsible Gun Safety Act, MD JPR Committee Hearing Testimony, 16 March 2000

My opposition to smart gun legislation is based on the technical fact that any solid state device used to control a gun or any other
device is susceptible to both jamming and destruction by an easily built and concealable countermeasure. In both cases the
components for these devices can be purchased at most electronic stores, like Radio Shack. You will or may already have heard from
the manufacturers that their designs are not subject to jamming because the design is hardened. That is equivalent to saying that
all radars used to issue speeding tickets are invulnerable to error, however slight.

As you well know, TV sets, computers, cell phones, and car radios especially are shielded from the many sources of noise occurring
in the normal environment, i.e. jamming. Ever heard a car radio when the noise filter has failed? Nothing useful comes out of the
radio it is effectively jammed and unable to perform as designed. That is exactly what will occur when a person attempts to use a
gun that is controlled by a solid state device -- it will not perform as designed, when a jamming signal is present.

One worst case scenario would be a person with a smart gun, confronted by an attacker with a regular gun and unknown to the
smart gun user, a fifty dollar jammer. The victims gun will not fire, so he keeps pulling the trigger as he jumps behind a steel door.
Now thoroughly panicked, he fires off a round or two from the now shielded (by the steel door) smart gun. I wonder where those
bullets are going? Most likely not at his attacker.

I have here an electronic mock-up of a pocket sized jammer that would have a range of approximately 30 to 50 feet in all directions.
The critical components have not been installed in order to preclude the design falling into the wrong hands.

As I mentioned in paragraph one above, destruction of the solid state circuitry in the smart gun is also easily accomplished. The
device used is called an "Electromagnetic Pulse Generator (EMPG)". Again this is a device easily constructed from standard electronic
parts. Due to the improvements in battery design, an EMPG could easily be constructed to fit into a large pocket in a coat or
otherwise concealed on the body. Activation of an EMPG would not only damage a smart gun beyond repair, but also damage all
solid state circuits in the vicinity i.e. computers, microwave ovens, cell phones, watches, TV and radios. Any device that has a micro
processor.[/quote] http://www.mcdl.org/MD_Info/2000/Smart_Gun_Jammer.htm
Now, i have a hard time believing this guy had a pocket EMP, but he made a good point...
ya know those "kits" for buiding a cable TV descrambler for 100 bucks? The ones where assembly is twisting a lead together?
The same thing will happen for smart guns.

If there is a new "Fuzzbuster" created, the Unintended Consequence of smart guns will be the loss of innocents lives to criminals.

dZ



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The fact that there are an estimated 200 million "dumb" firearms in curculation and that smart gun technology is admitedly years from being something other than a gleam in Willy's eye, makes the notion of smart guns being a solution to anything seem a bit premature to say the least if not absurd.

The huge number of dumb guns in the hands of the general population insures that Smart gun technology will have a minmal impact on what they are intended to do even if you agree with the premise. I suspect prospective gun owners would vote with their dollars for used dumb guns rather than buy untested technology, raising the issue of how the government would get enough smart guns into make a difference. I'm probably being cynical,but unless the government gets into the business of pushing--as in requiring people to turn in dumb guns--smart gun technology, there will be little change in the status quo.

Regarding the technology, previous posters have made a good case for why this technology makes little sense when applied to firearms. Electronic chips operating in a harsh enviroment--shock, heat, cold, humidity and it has to work every time for the next XX years. What will this do to the price of the weapon and what insurance company will insure firearm makers for product liability issues since a failure of the technology will mean a mega-lawsuit?

It would seem at the minimum, firearms would become much more expensive and the manufacture of them a more problematic, hastening the exit of existing companies from the industry.

The net impact would be fewer people having access to afordable firearms and fewer people in the business of making them. Gee, Is there a pattern here?

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It is thought provoking that all so-called “smart guns” with IC chip technology will be rendered totally useless in the event of a Thermo-Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse triggered 100 miles above the center of the CONUS. (Unless you store it in a lead box) ;)

No radios, no PCs, no cars, no “smart guns”.

I think I’ll keep my “dumb” guns.

Skyhawk


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Originally posted by Dave AA:
EMP.

By mandating "smart gun" technology, the government ensures that all firearms in civilian hands can be rendered useless at anytime.


Ahhahahahahahahah......are you seriously stating that our government would do high altitude detonations of nuclear devices to enable gun control policies? ROFL

And besides...making small electronic devices impervious to EMP in critical ways is trivial. It is large, complex systems that are difficult to fully shield.

aikidoka
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