Smart Guns - A Stupid Idea

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Gabe Suarez

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So now we hear that one of the great American companies has been corrupted by the responsability-avoiders and control-mongers.

The whole notion of a "safer" gun, like safer cars, safer chainsaws, and safer computers, is silly. A tool is useful only when it fulfills its intended purpose. Sometimes this purpose is not pretty, but it is nevertheless needed. Perhaps this is the intent - to make guns so difficult to use that we will revert to hacking and slashing.

If this is not nipped right here and now by the gun industry, I can see the day when guns are inspected and either certified or not by a DMV-like bureaucracy. If your weapon does not have the requisite gov-approved safety devices, it will not be approved for use, and subject to impound, just like a car.

It is interesting to note that the two most compliant appeasers of the left are two big american gun companies (Ruger and S&W). It took an Austrian and a Beligian to tell Clinton (I can't bring myself to call him president) where to go.

Some tools are intended to be dangerous. They serve us safely due to the will, responsability and skill of it wielder. Any attempt to make our tools less useful is to be taken badly and resisted.

I will not buy nor recommend another S&W weapon, nor a Ruger weapon to anyone. Money talks.

Gabe Suarez
 
Make something that is foolproof and only a fool will want to use it. The recent case of an 83 year old man in SFO using a neglected, rarely fired (or seen) 50 yr old Model 10 revolver to ice a burglar is a case in point. It'll be interesting to see how much coercion it will take to make the first cop carry one on the street. I think at that point my life and my family would mean a hell of a lot more to me than politics.

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Quote "Some tools are intended to be dangerous. They serve us safely due to the will, responsability and skill of it wielder. Any attempt to make our tools less useful is to be taken badly and resisted."

I agree of the above statements. Whatever safety mechanics the manufacturer will add to the weapon, if the user or wielder as mentioned, will not be very responsible and skillfull to his tools, for sure he will still subject to his former follies.

Remember, there is always an antidote to any one created for particular purpose. My own opinion, smart gun will not solve the problem being faced now. Not the gun that has problem but the user thats needs to be trained with all aspects about gun.

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I agree, but nothing and i repeat NOTHING is fool proof, now if the gun is for home defense, you gonna leave the activator in another room, or will it be stolen with your gun. or if you wear a ring, then the criminal knows your armed, and knows he can steal your Smart Gun.

i like my guns just like i like my women, dumb blonde and ready for action :D

ok, now all i gotta do is erase the history so none of my lady friends find that :confused: did i say that outloud :confused:
 
I like the idea of a smartgun. I wouldn't have to worry about a criminal using it against me. I wouldn't have to worry about it being stolen and used in a crime. I wouldn't have to worry about family members misusing the weapon ..ect. ect. ect. Ultimately it would be MY gun and no one elses to misuse.

I have no idea why it would make me prone to lacking fundamental gun safety. Thats not what it is designed to do. Would I still put it in a safe ? Definitely. Is the gun any less susceptible to AD/NDs ? Not that I'm aware of.

The gun itself sounds like a good idea. If your talking about political ramifications i.e. making nonsmart guns illegal, police having control over your gun, those are entirely different issues which I do not support.

As of right now I feel uncomfortable leaving my firearms home alone. Gunsafes are easy to break into and any device that would render my weapons unusable in the hands of a stranger sounds just swell to me.
 
McGee? A good idea? Will it work with gloves on? How about in -20 degree weather like we get in most of this nation? Or in high humidty heat like the rest? Also will you be able to repair it 25 years from now. How would you like to have in your drawer a "High Standard Smart Gun" right now that didn't work? Or maybe a "Charter Arms Smart Gun?" Want a "Grendel Smart Gun?" Get the idea?
Who thought such firms would fail? Now Colt and S&W are on hard financial times. How sure are you that in 25-50-100 years from now that "smart gun" can be fixed?
You may own a 2 lb club. So you think you will just remove the technology. Will that be illegal to do like taking a catolytic converter off your car or altering an exhaust systems or emissions equipment on your car?
What if two cops working together have to switch or share a gun for whatever reason? Will that gun only be useable by ONE member of your family. What if that member isn't home when it is needed? Smart guns don't look very smart to me.
Maybe in our future we will have smart copy machines, smart PC's and smart rug shampooers. The list is endless. Why hasn't ANYONE suggest SMART CARS? I know the problems of stolen cars in this nation. Today any 12 year old can use a screw driver and drive off in YOUR car in 60 seconds. Known as the "Chicago Punch" it is that easy.
 
"What if two cops working together have to switch or share a gun for whatever reason?"


Pluspinc: What you have qouted will really happen. Not only for the cop but for mil, how about if you are raiding a particular objective and while you are climbing, you droped your gun, but you see one of the BG having gun that you intend to give a karate chop - although you overcome the BG but then you cannot use his gun because the gun is only activated by himself alone. On that scenario, you might be defenseless when the enemy are in front of you already.
 
My opinion, A stupid idea brought to you by ignorant people. Smart guns, another way to make something someone elses fault.
You want a gun? Then learn the responsibilities of owning one.
My opinion for what its worth :)

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I don't have a problem if someone wants to make "smart" guns, but I don't think that all guns should be made "smart". The marketplace will decide if "smart" guns are a smart idea.

The whole issue gets back to one of responsibility. There are not enough gun deaths in the U.S. to warrant changing an entire industry, when those changes cannot be PROVEN to do one bit of good to prevent the crimes they supposedly stop.

In a free society, the most you can do is to protect the innocent, punish the guilty, and let it go at that.
 
I agree that it's a dumb idea, looks good on paper, but should stay there. Can't make an inanimate object smart to make up for human stupidity. All this will do is to open the door even more for people to have an excuse to be stupid.

What's next? A smart pocket knife? You can only open it if you wear a special ring? Do we somehow learn to cook on a stove that isn't hot? PlusP covered pretty much all the "practical" problems with them.
 
Hey everybody, you don't have to worry about the military or police having smart guns. They can be exempt if they so choose. What does that say about their wonderful "smart gun" technology........
 
What is overlooked in the "agreements" currently in the news is that the police and military are exempt from such smart gun technology.
So, we won't have cops killed on duty because their gun jammed and the partners "smart gun" wouldn't operate for them.
We'll just have wives dying trying to shoot a rapist with her husband's "smart gun".

But, apparently that's acceptable.
:( -Kframe
 
Well, I remember when automobiles didn't have automatic transmissions because "they don't work".

I remember when it was said that some six or eight--at most a dozen--mainframe computers would meet the world's needs at least trhough the 20th century.

And when a laser was "a solution in search of a problem". Of course, that was said about the transistor in 1927, for that matter...

I see where one version of "smart gun" has a combination lock built into it. You set the proper combination, turn a knob, and it will go bang. I can but ask if it is engraved on Mt. Sinai that one never, ever, leaves the gun ready for use?

Sure, right now the internal electronic gizmos are not 100% reliable. I sure won't bet against the result of five or ten years of hard work, though.

Where I think folks should concentrate their complaining is not at the "idea" of a smart gun. It is at the idea that a policeman or a soldier is of higher moral value to our society than the citizens whom they are employed to protect. If their lives are in need of 100% reliability, why not yours? Why not mine? My family's?

Kwitcherbitchin here, and write your Congressman!

As usual, Art
 
As previously posted - don't think for a second that law enforcement or military will have to tolerate using worhtless "smart guns". The KISS principle rules in practical matters of combat, the proposed measures only serve to complicate the already substantial learning curve of self defense. It is one more knee jerk reaction of denial to the real issue. It will not end here, a continued failure to address the real issues will mean that crazy crimes will continue to happen despite the inept feel good legislation. What happens in the next few years I think will have a profound affect on not only guns, but the idea of personal responsibilty in general. I wonder.
 
Pluspinc said:

"Will it work with gloves on?"

-I don't know or care. I am not a hitman on the Sopranos, and the last time I wore gloves was on a skiing trip 10 years ago.

"How about in -20 degree weather like we get in most of this nation?"

- LOL what ? We live on earth, not Hoth. Here in L.A. the year round temp is 72 with no humidity. By the way, My car has never failed to start in the cold, I don't see how or why this would affect the mechanism. Do you have test evaluations that prove this ?


"Also will you be able to repair it 25 years from now. How would you like to have in your drawer a "High Standard Smart Gun" right now that didn't work? Or maybe a "Charter Arms Smart Gun?" Want a "Grendel Smart Gun?" Get the idea?"


- No, I don't get it. If I have a car make with electronic fuel injection that hasn't been sold in over 20 years, can I still get it fixed and get parts for it ? Yep. Just because the company is out of business doesn't mean you can't get parts or get the thing fixed. If you own a Colt 1911 can you only buy a sear spring built for it by Colt ? No. And why are Colt and S&W under such financial stress ? Is it because their product is as obscure and unusual as a Grendel or a High Standard ? No, its politics, not the economy.

"You may own a 2 lb club. So you think you will just remove the technology. Will that be illegal to do like taking a catolytic converter off your car or altering an exhaust systems or emissions equipment on your car?"

- Why would I buy a smartgun if I wasn't going to use it as intended ? Once again, your going back to politics, as if the only guns we will be allowed to own are "smart" ones. I'm treating it as another product on the market, not something being forced on me.


"What if two cops working together have to switch or share a gun for whatever reason? Will that gun only be useable by ONE member of your family. What if that member isn't home when it is needed? Smart guns don't look very smart to me."

Why in Gods name would two cops switch guns ? Why not say, "what if a lightening bolt struck the gun rendering the device unusable" ? pretty obscure situations. I'm sure the device could be made to recognize TWO key rings or TWO fingerprints if need be. This is the double 0's Pluspinc, lots of things can be done to remedy even the most obscure of situations.

As a rebuttal I will offer you this. A friend of mine was shot and killed by a 15 yr old with a stolen gun from the Oakland police department. He did it as a gang initiation, and it was probably the first time he had ever fired a gun. Wouldn't he of been surprised if that gun were smart equiped ? My friend would still be alive.

"aybe in our future we will have smart copy machines, smart PC's and smart rug shampooers. The list is endless. Why hasn't ANYONE suggest SMART CARS? I know the problems of stolen cars in this nation. Today any 12 year old can use a screw driver and drive off in YOUR car in 60 seconds. Known as the "Chicago Punch" it is that easy."

Smart cars...its called ignition shutoff switch and more and more carmakers are using it. It started with Mercedes, there is a magnetic code on the key
that if not recognized,
 
Smart guns... O.K. I work with computers a lot. I'm sure we've all experienced the fail-safe reliability of computers and computerized equipment/appliances. :rolleyes: I'm a grad student in engineering, I do semiconductor research and I WOULD NOT want semiconductor/computer technology in MY hand gun. how reliable would a 20 year old "smart gun" be? What if you drop it? Computer technology is still not hardy enough for me. Let me tell you something... The first group of people that will get the technology to "disable" "smart guns" from a distance will be the police. The second group of people to get that technology will be criminals. Don't give me a "smart gun". Give me a reliable, well-oiled mechanical weapon and I'LL take on the RESPONSIBILITY of being the brains behind it. Let the market decide and you'll see smart gun technology die without government intervention.

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
To me, a smart gun is a gun which will hit the target every time despite bad eyesight, flinching, and a myriad of other shooting problems. Maybe a smart bullet is better.
 
Muscles, what do you actually know tactically?

How is this turkey to work?

Radio, magnetic rings or fingerprint ID
are the solutions suggested.

If you know recognition software - you know that it is unrealiable enough to be a risk.
Let's say that it fails only with a prob. of
.001. That means for every thousand draws of a gun, that sucker will fail on its own.

Can it recognize both hands? If you don't see a reason to switch hands - then you don't understand the problems. How about a house gun when you have yourself and two grown daughters? That's 8 hands - is it going to do that.

What if you drop your gun in the mud or some other crap? What if a fight starts with someone cutting your hand?

Rings and radios have other problems. They have been discussed before.

If your car won't start, you don't usually die. If your gun won't , you might just do that.

Be real, dude.
 
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