Smart gun or Smart scam?

smart guns

I will always be smarter than any and all of my guns...I guess i am the ultimate piece of technology...How are these states even able to pass these laws on only allowing smart guns? Pretty soon forks and spoons will be illegal in California...but the criminals will still have guns. Sharpen your spoons and practice throwing them often CA residents!

edit* we already have smart guns. It is called a Corner Shot!
 
So I'd turn gyvel's question around: How easy is it for the average bad guy to jam the signaling link, given the specific format and frequency are known?

Trivial for an engineer, hacker or technician. I see that as a major issue.
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In my post, I was thinking more of a worst case scenario where "Smart guns" are mandated by legislation.

In that case, it would be a simple matter for any competent gunsmith to remove the "Smart" technology.
 
Ricklin said:
A ring???
Anyone else remember the old S+W (I think) revolver from the past?

I believe it was a modification of the lock work that required the shooter to be wearing a magnetic ring. The ring acted upon the lockwork permitting the revolver to fire.

If memory serves bank guards were one market for this.

Anyone else remember it?
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I remember it. I cannot remember the year, but I also remember a case of a gun being restored to its owner (if I recall correctly, a policeman) when the person who stole it took it to a gunsmith to repair it because it would not work. The gunsmith recognized the technology, and since the "owner" did not know about it, surmised the gun was stolen, so called to see if it had been reported stolen.

Yes, the technology was real, and apparently reliable. I do not know the issues that kept it from being widely adopted. These two come to mind, but I never heard if they were factors: Without a second ring, weak hand firing would be problematic and use by a confederate without a ring would be impossible.

Lost Sheep
 
gyvel said:
Quite frankly, just how hard would it be for the average gunsmith to disable the "smart" device in any given gun?
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About as easy as it is for a gunsmith to shorten a shotgun barrel to 8".

With all the legal implications and consequences for the owner who possesses such a weapon and possibly the gunsmith, too.

Circumventing a law is not to be taken lightly, depending on how the law is written.

TXAZ said:
So I'd turn gyvel's question around: How easy is it for the average bad guy to jam the signaling link, given the specific format and frequency are known?
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We depend on the laziness of criminals all the time (and criminals are largely lazy, preferring the easy way to make a living). Most people buy locks just more difficult enough than their neighbors' locks to send criminals elsewhere. This economy extends to almost every measure of protection we put in place.

I recognize that there are exceptions among us who go to truly adequate lengths to protect them and theirs, but such exceptional people are not the majority.

Lost Sheep
 
Jamming a smart gun signal is EXACTLY the reason for having smart guns. They don't work near cops, will only shoot on a competitive range, and if it does malfunction in the face of an armed perp, so what? Gun owners deserve it, according to some anti gun posters in social media.

The entire point of a smart gun is that it can be turned off by outside authority - that's not a hack by mischievous malcreants, it's the exact intent. Only those with authority turn on the guns, and only where they allow.

Like smart phones that locate you exactly anywhere on the face of earth - so "they" can follow you and who you meet . . .:eek:
 
I cant even get my Iphone thumb print access to work reliably if I have a little moisture or crud on my hand. The LAST thing I would want is a jacked up system like that on my gun!
 
Melissa Healy is a rabbid anti-gun reporter (who has little to no actual knowledge about firearms or firearms related issues) for the LA times. Her reporting and statistics cannot be trusted.
 
Watch Activation

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The gun also disables if it is more than ten inches from the watch.


The gun also disables if it is more than ten inches from the watch????!!!!!!!!!!



I guess a lot of owners will be wearing their watch on their right hands now!!!
 
All joking aside, I wonder if most (all?) here will simply not buy a smart gun.

I certainly won't. Moreover, if an established gunmaker produces a smart gun, I think it should suffer a permanent boycott.

Or am I stating the obvious?
 
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This is just another "smoke screen" from the anti-freedom crowd to justify their existence. Electronics fail. Mechanics fail on a far less frequent basis.

When anyone's life counts on it, there's too much that can go wrong.

Thanks for playing. :rolleyes:
 
Our cars are becoming more electronic and making more decisions for us. We have ABS, parking, collision avoidance and the like.

Soon we will have autonomous cars to drive us around.

I propose the Google Autonomous Gun (GAG). It will decide when to draw and whom to shoot based on an AI program.
 
All joking aside, I wonder if most (all?) here will simply not buy a smart gun.

I certainly won't. Moreover, if an established gunmaker produces a smart gun, I think it should suffer a permanent boycott.

Or am I stating the obvious?
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I think it is clear-cut in this case.

I wouldn't buy a Smith and Wesson revolver with the lock hole for the longest time. Sure, it's a much smaller and vastly cheaper imposition. It still has me worried and unhappy. Unfortunately, they have so much to offer otherwise. They wore me down and my wife owning one was the last straw. Now, it just means a trip to the gunsmith for removal of the locking mechanism and plugging of the hole. Essentially, it made the gun less aesthetically pleasing and increased the hurt on my wallet. :(
 
I'd actually be interested in one if not for that stupid NJ law, but wouldn't rely on it until the technology proved mature.

Cars are all electronically controlled these days, and pretty reliable (though less durable). Driving a car involves a heck of a lot more moving parts and varied environmental conditions than a handgun, so I think there is potential for electronically improved firearms. Who here wouldn't love to try out Metal Storm?

Alas, the problem is political rather than technical, so I likely would never buy one even if they repeal that law, just because I suspect they'd try again. I'd always want a standard firearm as backup.
 
Just Googled and picked the first link, so completely unscientific

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...phone-customer-satisfaction-survey-in-u-s.htm

Here is the relative consumer satisfaction with smart phones.
Spoiler alert!
Tops was Galaxy at 81%
2nd was Apple at 79%

Yeah, it's a bit dated but here an example of a highly engineered device (that is socially accepted as fragile) built by a number of well-financed companies using the latest technology and loads of investment money, a device that has to do a limited number of capabilities well, and the satisfaction rate of users is 5/6.

Smart gun technology is being developed by one or two companies on venture capital-level financing. I'm guessing that probably more than 5/6 of people involved in a self-defense scenario would want to be satisfied by the services of their smart gun.

Would I like to have a gun that can't be used by anyone except those I would choose to use it? Sure. That's not on the horizon.
 
How are gunsmiths plugging the hole??? Pictures?
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I haven't had it done to mine yet. Apparently, it's not all that uncommon and isn't hard to do. They take out the mechanism and put in a plug. At some point, I imagine custom engraving could cover up the little notation like it was a bad tattoo. Ahh, the never-ending projects... :)

This is from a Google image search:

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Of course, this is a fairly simple mechanical operation. Who knows what would be involved in dumbing down a "smart gun" or what it would mean on the legislative end...
 
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