Stuckatwork: Thanks for a great overview of the purpose of this rifle. As you state, acceptable accuracy for this rifle is being able to hit a man-sized target out to 300 yards --- period! If someone wants to shoot nice little groups, they should shell out the bucks and get an AR-15 or a Remington 700. Come on guys, this is a cheap battle rifle. Blast away and have fun!!!
SKS Accuracy?
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Chad Young wrote:
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"The SKS was designed by Simonov, not Kalashnikov. The AK series was designed by Kalashnikov."
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Okay, I stand corrected. So, I have wondered what old man Simonov feels about his rifles seeing such a big hit with the American shooters?
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"The SKS was designed by Simonov, not Kalashnikov. The AK series was designed by Kalashnikov."
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Okay, I stand corrected. So, I have wondered what old man Simonov feels about his rifles seeing such a big hit with the American shooters?
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You can find the price of freedom, buried in the ground.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff Thomas:
Let me ask a question about Ed's post.
Whether your SKS's are sighted in or not, how will that affect the grouping?
Where the group appears on the paper ... sure, that I get. But, assuming you / I do our part with the rifle, sight alignment and trigger control, ... the rifle will group according to it's capability, environmental conditions and ammo, right?
Thanks. Regards from AZ[/quote]
If a rifle is NOT sighted-in you are guessing at what you are aiming. If the rifle is sighted-in you know that at what you aim it will hit it true(depends on the shooter). So yes, a positive sighted rifle will get you a better grouping. As for your question. It would affect the groupings a great deal, if the rifle is sighted it will improve the groupings, and if the rifle aint sighted it will affect the groupings a great deal.
To answer your other question. Yes. Weather, condition of the rifle, ammo, and maintenance do play a very important part in groupings. But expensive ammo will not help your/mine accuracy and cheaply price ammo will not horrify our groupings. It is all up to the person who knows how to handle the rifle and knows the rifle personally. By personally I mean you know how it shoots in all weather conditions and with different ammo. I shot my rifles in snow, rain, windy days, hot days, and calm days. I know my rifles by heart. But if someone lends me their rifles, I do not know how it handles, reacts with different ammo, and groups. Until I spend days with the rifle.
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"Giving up is not in my vocabulary". -EDA
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Let me ask a question about Ed's post.
Whether your SKS's are sighted in or not, how will that affect the grouping?
Where the group appears on the paper ... sure, that I get. But, assuming you / I do our part with the rifle, sight alignment and trigger control, ... the rifle will group according to it's capability, environmental conditions and ammo, right?
Thanks. Regards from AZ[/quote]
If a rifle is NOT sighted-in you are guessing at what you are aiming. If the rifle is sighted-in you know that at what you aim it will hit it true(depends on the shooter). So yes, a positive sighted rifle will get you a better grouping. As for your question. It would affect the groupings a great deal, if the rifle is sighted it will improve the groupings, and if the rifle aint sighted it will affect the groupings a great deal.
To answer your other question. Yes. Weather, condition of the rifle, ammo, and maintenance do play a very important part in groupings. But expensive ammo will not help your/mine accuracy and cheaply price ammo will not horrify our groupings. It is all up to the person who knows how to handle the rifle and knows the rifle personally. By personally I mean you know how it shoots in all weather conditions and with different ammo. I shot my rifles in snow, rain, windy days, hot days, and calm days. I know my rifles by heart. But if someone lends me their rifles, I do not know how it handles, reacts with different ammo, and groups. Until I spend days with the rifle.
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"They may kill me, but there will always be more like me". -EDA
They told me,"throw down your guns, return to the earth...HAH! time enough for the earth in the grave". -EDA
"Giving up is not in my vocabulary". -EDA
"Do not fear the governments, that fears you". -EDA
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="arial,helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ED CHAVEZ:
So yes, a positive sighted rifle will get you a better grouping. As for your question. It would affect the groupings a great deal, if the rifle is sighted it will improve the groupings, and if the rifle aint sighted it will affect the groupings a great deal.
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Ahem, then why do Benchrest shooters adjust their sights so the point of impact is NOT the same as point of aim? You know, these are the guys that are putting 5 shots into one hole. But perhaps your answer can be explained by your phrase, "a positive sighted rifle".
I've had some of my best groups before I sighted in (with .30-06 that coincides with "before I begin reacting to recoil"). Sorry Ed, I think you're wrong.
Richardson
So yes, a positive sighted rifle will get you a better grouping. As for your question. It would affect the groupings a great deal, if the rifle is sighted it will improve the groupings, and if the rifle aint sighted it will affect the groupings a great deal.
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Ahem, then why do Benchrest shooters adjust their sights so the point of impact is NOT the same as point of aim? You know, these are the guys that are putting 5 shots into one hole. But perhaps your answer can be explained by your phrase, "a positive sighted rifle".
I've had some of my best groups before I sighted in (with .30-06 that coincides with "before I begin reacting to recoil"). Sorry Ed, I think you're wrong.
Richardson
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="arial,helvetica">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richardson:
Ahem, then why do Benchrest shooters adjust their sights so the point of impact is NOT the same as point of aim? You know, these are the guys that are putting 5 shots into one hole. But perhaps your answer can be explained by your phrase, "a positive sighted rifle".
I've had some of my best groups before I sighted in (with .30-06 that coincides with "before I begin reacting to recoil"). Sorry Ed, I think you're wrong.
Richardson[/quote]
Well if I am wrong, I am getting terrific groupings at all ranges with different types of rifles. I still think superb accuracy and superior groupings comes from the person who wields the firearm.
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"They may kill me, but there will always be more like me". -EDA
They told me,"throw down your guns, return to the earth...HAH! time enough for the earth in the grave". -EDA
"Giving up is not in my vocabulary". -EDA
"Do not fear the governments, that fears you". -EDA
Ahem, then why do Benchrest shooters adjust their sights so the point of impact is NOT the same as point of aim? You know, these are the guys that are putting 5 shots into one hole. But perhaps your answer can be explained by your phrase, "a positive sighted rifle".
I've had some of my best groups before I sighted in (with .30-06 that coincides with "before I begin reacting to recoil"). Sorry Ed, I think you're wrong.
Richardson[/quote]
Well if I am wrong, I am getting terrific groupings at all ranges with different types of rifles. I still think superb accuracy and superior groupings comes from the person who wields the firearm.
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"They may kill me, but there will always be more like me". -EDA
They told me,"throw down your guns, return to the earth...HAH! time enough for the earth in the grave". -EDA
"Giving up is not in my vocabulary". -EDA
"Do not fear the governments, that fears you". -EDA
Okay, I just got back from the range. I tried some Winchester Super-X and shot a 1.3 inch group(3 shots). The difference in accuracy when compared to the Russian ammo is astounding. I will never use the Russian ammo for any serious shooting. Also, I shot my M39 for the first time. It is the sweetest rifle I have ever had the pleasure of shooting. It is far more accurate than I will ever be. IMHO, if you want accuracy, it's only money, buy some brand name ammo and see what some rifle is capable of. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ED CHAVEZ:
If a rifle is NOT sighted-in you are guessing at what you are aiming. If the rifle is sighted-in you know that at what you aim it will hit it true(depends on the shooter). So yes, a positive sighted rifle will get you a better grouping. As for your question. It would affect the groupings a great deal, if the rifle is sighted it will improve the groupings, and if the rifle aint sighted it will affect the groupings a great deal.[/quote]
If a rifle is not sighted in, you are NOT guessing at what you are aiming at. You know what you are aiming at but you are not neccasarily hitting it. This has nothing to do with tight groups.
If your sight picture is consistent, the point of impact will not influence the size of your groups. Your rifle does not care where the sights are pointed, it only cares how consistently you shoot it each time you fire it to achieve small groups. Small groups that do not hit point of aim are still small groups.
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Just one of the Good Guys
If a rifle is NOT sighted-in you are guessing at what you are aiming. If the rifle is sighted-in you know that at what you aim it will hit it true(depends on the shooter). So yes, a positive sighted rifle will get you a better grouping. As for your question. It would affect the groupings a great deal, if the rifle is sighted it will improve the groupings, and if the rifle aint sighted it will affect the groupings a great deal.[/quote]
If a rifle is not sighted in, you are NOT guessing at what you are aiming at. You know what you are aiming at but you are not neccasarily hitting it. This has nothing to do with tight groups.
If your sight picture is consistent, the point of impact will not influence the size of your groups. Your rifle does not care where the sights are pointed, it only cares how consistently you shoot it each time you fire it to achieve small groups. Small groups that do not hit point of aim are still small groups.
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Just one of the Good Guys