SJSHP? Revolver ammo.

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You ever hear of a semi jacketed soft hollow point? I've heard of a SJSP, but never a SJsHP.

I'm sure they are very similar in lead composition, but, one has a hole in the tip. But I never heard of it as soft hollow point. Not talking about LSWCHPs.

Hope I made that clear.

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Semi jacketed used to refer to jacketing only on the shank of the bullet, crimped at the forward end, with no jacket on the ogive. The lead itself could be hard or soft lead to define the expansion characteristics of the bullet. A semi jacketed soft hollow point would be an easily expandable soft lead bullet, but would not lead the barrel because of the semi jacket.
 
Those type of bullets used to be fairly common in the 60s. The thing is with a revolver you're probably not going to get enough velocity to make it open up enough to act like a modern hollowpoint does. They need to be driven very fast, in the 1200 fps range to start to expand. All the soft points I remember seeing were in Magnum cartridges only. Out of a 6 in. or longer Magnum revolver it will open up some but not as much as a good modern hollowpoint. From a snub nose it will perform pretty much like a normal flat nosed bullet. Lots of penetration and maybe a little expansion. Hollow point bullet designs have taken a quantum leap since the bullets we had before the Hydra Shok were introduced. Bullets like the Speer Gold Dot give amazing expansion at only 850 fps. That's well within the operating envelope for most snubs.
 
drail, here is the expansion of a lead hollow point at an impact velocity of 1000fps, into rubber mulch media (I actually get expansion and penetration similar to known ballistics gel testing). Expansion is, in fact, inconsistent.

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HOWEVER, driven at .357 mag velocity (in this case, a little more than 1250 fps)...VERY good expansion AND penetration, in spite of it's "archaic" and "low tech" status. The bullet on the left actually fragmented. Out of a .357 it's typical to get .5 to .6" expansion and 15-17" penetration out of a 158 grain slug.

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Out of a 2" snub, the best combo of expansion AND penetration were the 140 grain Barnes (Federal brand)

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The Barnes did well going through ceramic tile (probably as tough as windshield) this hit the tile at 45deg and still penetrated well, though expansion was...well...look at the picture.

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Either way it's a SJHP with soft lead, so it's still a soft point, hollow or not.

Well, anyways, I have them Remingtons (.357 125g) loaded in my SP101 3" for HD/SD.

FYI, I got them from Walmart.:eek::D:D
 
It's an old, yet effective, bullet design if used in the right caliber at the right velocity. Basically, it was designed to give similar performance to the LSWCHP but had a fairly thin jacket added to the bearing surface to prevent barrel leading when driven at magnum velocities.

The 125gr .357 Magnum loading in particular expands rather violently and will often fragment moderately (mainly core-jacket separation) but still penetrate 11-13". SJHP bullets also work well, though they don't expand quite so violently, in heavier .357 Magnum loadings and .44 Magnum loadings.
 
Webleymkv

I've read a lot of your post's, with the greatest, and mostly in a respectful way!

I appreciate your effort to educated us all, if not a few.

My hat's off to you with great appreciation.

OK, it's not an Emmy award, but like I said, good job!!!!
 
Federal makes a .357mag round called Federal Fusion which look just like their American Eagle SJSP .158gr. But it has a pretty good dimple cavity on the exposed lead tip. \
 
Webleymkv

I've read a lot of your post's, with the greatest, and mostly in a respectful way!

I appreciate your effort to educated us all, if not a few.

My hat's off to you with great appreciation.

OK, it's not an Emmy award, but like I said, good job!!!!
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Thank you for the compliment. FWIW, I think that the the 100-round value packs of the ammo you're describing are probably one of the best values in SD ammo out there so long as you're not using a S&W K-Frame (125gr Magnums are hard on the forcing cones of those particular guns).
 
FWIW, I think that the the 100-round value packs of the ammo you're describing are probably one of the best values in SD ammo out there so long as you're not using a S&W K-Frame (125gr Magnums are hard on the forcing cones of those particular guns).
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Yeah, I have other more potent .357s, but I'm saving them for bigger critter's. K-frame and damage to the forcing cone. My SP101 3" had to be sent back for repair's do to using a fair amount of the 125g SJHPs Rems. The forcing cone had either flame cutting or was cracked, they never did say, but they fixed it no questions asked on there dime in a few week's.

Overall, I'm happy with gun and ammo.

Thanks
 
If your bullets are what I remember, they are semi-jacketed semi-hollow point, i.e. a short jacket and a shallow hollow point.
 
If your bullets are what I remember, they are semi-jacketed semi-hollow point, i.e. a short jacket and a shallow hollow point.
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Yes, pretty much.

Shallow? Depends what you mean by shallow. The HP isn't real wide esp like the Gold Dot HP short barrel. Of course that's a different bullet design.

The SJHP expands because it's soft lead, but I think the HP helps to start up the process sooner than let's say a SJSP. Not sure if the same lead is used in both, but I'd bet a dollar they are.

Why? Because I'm an Internet expert!;)
 
Yes, they are "LHJHP", WWB and 110gr.

I get them all the time, in Winchester White Box, .357 magnum, lead half jacket hollow points. I carry them in my Ruger LCR and my SP101.
I can't use them much in my Winchester '94 Trapper Special carbine, because the recoil smashes up the front of the lead, especially when you get down to the last round or two.
I like them though. I carry in my revolvers all the time.:o
 
The SJHP expands because it's soft lead, but I think the HP helps to start up the process sooner than let's say a SJSP. Not sure if the same lead is used in both, but I'd bet a dollar they are.
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You've pretty much got the gist of it. The lead in these particular bullets is very, very soft and I suspect that it's swaged rather than cast (I can dent in with my fingernail). Hydraulic pressure within the HP cavity allows it to expand more easily and rapidly than a JSP and the soft lead allows it to expand more rapidly/easily than a fully jacketed HP. I don't know how the lead hardness compares to a JSP of the same brand, but I'd guess that it's either the same or softer. Of all the semi-jacketed HP's, Remington and Federal seem to be the two most often recommended although I personally prefer the Remington due to its scalloped jacket which seems to expand more violently.

Also, a word about LSWCHP. Of the three major makers of the "FBI Load" (Remington, Federal, and Winchester), the Remingtons are generally considered to be the best. Remington has the right combination of both soft lead and velocity. The Winchester version uses substantially harder lead while the Federal version never seems to quite make the velocity of the other two. The newer Buffalo Bore versions of this loading look promising, but I don't have much experience or data on them so I really can't comment further.
 
I believe the SJSHP stands for semi-jacketed scalloped hollow point. The scalloped describes the shape of the jacket that surrounds the lead HP. The scalloped jacket is the old way of getting a bullet to expand into petals. Now they make relief cuts in the jacket.

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I believe the SJSHP stands for semi-jacketed scalloped hollow point. The scalloped describes the shape of the jacket that surrounds the lead HP. The scalloped jacket is the old way of getting a bullet to expand into petals. Now they make relief cuts in the jacket.
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Thanks buck460XVR.

Maybe that's it, I was just going by SJSP to SJHP to SJSHP. Now that I understand, I see the light. But, what made me think it was SJ"Soft"HP is, the lead is so darn soft on my Remington SJHP which are also "scalloped" like in your picture.

Weather it was an assumption, or I read it somewhere, you cleared it up.

FYI, I carry Rem 125g .357s SJHP in my Ruger SP101 3" with confidence.

Thanks
 
For those with S&W K-Frames or those who just prefer a bit more weight (I fall into both categories), Remington also makes .357 Magnum ammo with 158gr and 180gr bullets of the same design. While I don't know much about the 180gr version, the 158gr version performs similarly to the 125gr version with the exception that they penetrate several inches deeper. The Remington 158gr SJHP is my preferred .357 Magnum loading and is used in both my S&W M66-2 and M28-2.
 
180g SJHP's? Hmmmm!!

Webleymkv

Never heard of, or seen those before!

You are a plethora of info, WOW!

The Remington 158gr SJHP is my preferred .357 Magnum loading and is used in both my S&W M66-2 and M28-2.
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Is that for CCW/SD, and or HD....., and, what length (M66-2 and M28-2) barrel's are your gun's?

Thanks for educating me again. I love those FYI's, I take note's.

TBS, I think that 180 would be more optimum out of a longer 3"+ barrel.
 
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