Sign says: "No CCW" -- do you carry?

jeffelkins,

I think that the Fl law still recongnizes the rights of the property owners to allow persons to carry or not. So under the way I read it, if a business let's Bellaluna's resturant decides they don't want a CCW to carry in the resturant they can post a sign.

The portion of the Fl law ref no one enacting restrictions on the state law stems from the CCW issuance prior to 87. Back then it was a county decision, ie Judge Crenshaw issues me a permit for Alachua but that permit may not be valid in Marion or Dade or any county. Depending on the wording in the Judges order. That was the reason for the original law in 87, to have a uniform set of laws applicable to all 67 counties.

If I'm wrong let me know,

Gator
 
Doesn't matter what the sign says to me. I carry anyway, unless there's a metal detector screen. Then I don't go there if at all possible, or make arrangements with the security. Having a retired Federal badge in my wallet helps.

I'm not opposed to the idea of certain private and public facilities restricting CWs, but I'd like it to be written into the law that ANY place that denies citizens the right to lawfully carry concealed weapons MUST (1) Provide secure weapons lockers for the citizens to store their weapons in at all entrances to the facility, and (2) assume total responsibility (and liability) for the safety of the citizens thus disarmed while in the facility.


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Gary L. Griffiths
Chief Instructor
Advanced Force Tactics, Inc.
 
Usually I just take my business somewhere else. And I'm glad they're up front enough to let me know that I don't want to spend my money in their shop. Not a very astute busniess owner, but that's fine with me. Even if it was "against the law" for them to post this sign, I'd do the same. But I also defend their right to post whattever they want on their own property.
 
I don't agree with the "I'm going to carry regardless of property owner's requests" side of the house. Sorry. I just can't see any reason to knowing violate another's rights.

If caught and the signs are posted in a conspicious manner so that a reasonable person would be able to see them upon entering the establishment, then the person carrying is looking at a charged of armed trespass. I don't know about other states but in FL you're looking at a 3rd degree felony. Granted if the sign is in some off the wall location then you have a reasonable arguement for a defense. Either way it's a legal matter that I don't want to put myself into.

Also realize it is their right. The arguement that a business can't say no blacks, hispanics etc, doesn't hold water either. A person doesn't choose their ethic status. However carrying a concealed weapon IS a personal choice. Just like a business can refuse service if you don't wear a shirt, or shoes, they can legally refuse to allow concealed weapons.

As far a business being required to provide personal security if concealed weapons aren't allowed on premises, don't count on it. If a court can rule that the police are not required to protect you individual, ie not liable if you die after calling 911 but before they arrive, imagine a suit brought with the arguement "The business wouldn't let me carry, I sustained injury because of lack of adequate defense, I'm seeking X amount."

Folks, I don't want to sound anti-carry, because I carry everyday. However if we (CCW holders) start violating other rights (ie business owners) by carrying in areas posted as no carry, then we subject ourselves to criminal prosecution on an individual level, and create public scorn for all CCW permitees.

Gator
 
It fepends on how badly I ned what is in the store or the ramifications if I get caught.

There was a local furniture store that had a "No Guns" sign in the door. The manager was standing at the door. I told him because of the sign, he just lost about $15,000 worth of sales.

This guys face went so red, you could have read by it.

It was fun.

Rick

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Guns cause crime like trailerparks cause tornados.
 
I vote with my money, so my choice would be [c] take your money and support another business that has a more favorable policy.

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Know Yourself, Know Your Weapon, Know Your Enemy; then Know Victory! ---DaHaMac
 
I agree with swampgator. Over and over again I hear gun folks say (including myself) that the answer to more gun control is to enforce the laws that are on the books. In the state that I currently live in, if someone posts a sign in plain sight prohibiting the carrying of guns on the premises then it is ILLEGAL for me to do so. If I do so then I become one of the people who I myself advocate that should be locked up for breaking the oft quoted LAW ON THE BOOKS. I don't think we can have it both ways. That is: people who carry illegally should be prosecuted, that is, unless its me, because you see I should have the right to break the law when obeying it becomes inconvient, or interferes with my agendas, or I disagree with it or....,
I mean who does this sort of reasoning remind you of?
Daddycat

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"A rigid investment in flexability is but another closed system of thinking"
 
I like the idea of not doing business with businesses that restrict my Rights. And above absolute necessity don't. I even support the idea of not doing business with businesses that restrict your Rights. I mean businesses I don't normally do business with. These ideas bring to mind some more ideas.

Why do we do business (support) with a government that "infringes"on our Rights? Why do we do business with politicians who write, endorse, sponsor or enact legislation that "infringes" on our Rights? What permit is necessary, or authority to issue, that supercedes the constitutional guaranteed Right to "keep and bear arms"? Have you given up a constitutional Right by accepting a license? The lawyers, politicians and courts say you have. Of course I do not accept their say, but can go to jail on their say. Anyway I shy away from a license of any kind. Who but a subject needs a license?

I wonder why so many citizens support republican and/or democrat political party candidates? It is perfectly clear and evident that members of those political parties are the very people who write, endorse, sponsor and enact legislation "infringing" on citizen's Rights. There is no one else but democrats and/or republicans who could have possibly enacted such infringing legislation in my lifetime (66 years). So, in my opinion it is pure unadulterated insanity to vote for either a republican or democrat for I know by their history what they will do. I do not know for sure what a third party candidate will do. And until one of them lies to me then I will believe they will honor the oath of office. If We, The People, want to keep any of our Rights then we best vote someone into public office who will honor the oath of office. I'll vote third party come November and suggest you do too. Not only that but also tell everyone you know or meet to do the same. Better get started, it may already be too late. BTW I like Harry Browne... harrybrowne.org
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CassandraComplex:
Irony is: the sign only applies to criminals.[/quote]
Exactly! Show me one person that is going to leave a gun in the car when they plan to shoot people and I’ll show you Rosie-O-Doggie or her brother
Willy Klingon.
 
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