Well I see the title got to you. I always believed that the Sigma would be junk, but I was quite impressed. Since there are alot of references to undertrained Police (Back the Badge), I think the Sigma is a great gun for them. The trigger is long and heavier, but I feel it's not all that negative. I'm a Glock fan, but I shot tremendously better wiht the Sigma(2.2in vs 1.25in at 20yds). Did not experience any ftf or light primer strikes. I think they are a better choice over the Glocks(unless you have the NY triggers) for people who aren't as familiar with auto's as some of the people on this board. The Sigma trigger resembles a revolver, which it was intended to mimic. What's a fair price to pay for a .40 with 3 l7rnd mags?
Sigma better than Glock
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Go ahead, and buy the Sigma. Fill the coffers of traitors!! Or,(and it pains me to say it) buy the (cough,choke,aaaak,oh God,this hurts) Glock.
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!!!
The only justice for a traitor is at the end of a rope!!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!!!
The only justice for a traitor is at the end of a rope!!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
Glenn E. Meyer
New member
I've shot the 9mm and 40 Sigmas - they don't compare to the Glock. They suck. This was my opinion before the recent debacle.
Of course, to each his own.
Of course, to each his own.
Politics aside, I've owned Sigmas and Glocks. There's no comparison. Glocks are great, Sigmas... well, I put 400 rounds through a 40VE in two weeks and never felt comfortable with it. I found the trigger to be extremely rough and recoil to be unpleasant (and I'm not especially recoil-sensitive).
Coinneach, It's funny you say that about the Sigma regarding its recoil. I have had only one occasion to fire a Sigma, an SW9V. The only thing that really sticks out in my mind is that during the recoil I could actually notice the slide moving in my hand. Never noticed it before or since on any other semi-auto I have fired. Could have been the result of how well cleaned and lubed the owner kept it, I dunno. I put a few rounds of CorBon 115gr. through his Sigma and then my CZ 75B and that slide thing is the one lasting impression I remember.
Who in the HEL[ are you kidding. Can I have some of that hootch you're smokin?
Those Sigmas SUCK. SUCK. SUCK. SUCK. SUCK.
The Sigmas do have some great feeling grips though. Sw did a great job on the grip but had to pay $50,000,000 (as I remember) to Glock for numerous patent infringements.
The Sigma's grips are great. It's just when you shoot them that you notice their other built in JAMOMATIC and MISFEEDING features.
Buying a SW Sigma is like gun control. It controls you. It jams on you. The BG shoots you and there's one less NRA card-carrying gun freak out there. On Clinton's must buy list.
I had one - SW40V - for a couple of days and after it misfed 40% of different factory ammo. The slide also failed to lock after the last round was fired. It was sent back to SW and I got my money back.
SW's quality control missed upwards of 3,000 of these Sigma's with the same problems.
Yeah, there are some Glocks that are lemons out there. But few and far between. The Sigma's have an unaccpetable return and defect rate over a 3-year peiod of time. Even Kel Tec managed to fix the P111.
Why would you want to risk your life to save some bucks?
And a good percentage of Glockers, Sigers, HK nuts can do sub 2-3" groups at 25 yards. I've never heard of the Sigmas being known for their accuracy. PLEASE.
If you don't have the money to buy a Glock, Sig, HK, Kimber, WAIT.
Go ahead - buy the Yugo. If I owned any SW's, I'd sell them. You'll only embarass yourself on the range.
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The Seattle SharpShooter
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Those Sigmas SUCK. SUCK. SUCK. SUCK. SUCK.
The Sigmas do have some great feeling grips though. Sw did a great job on the grip but had to pay $50,000,000 (as I remember) to Glock for numerous patent infringements.
The Sigma's grips are great. It's just when you shoot them that you notice their other built in JAMOMATIC and MISFEEDING features.
Buying a SW Sigma is like gun control. It controls you. It jams on you. The BG shoots you and there's one less NRA card-carrying gun freak out there. On Clinton's must buy list.
I had one - SW40V - for a couple of days and after it misfed 40% of different factory ammo. The slide also failed to lock after the last round was fired. It was sent back to SW and I got my money back.
SW's quality control missed upwards of 3,000 of these Sigma's with the same problems.
Yeah, there are some Glocks that are lemons out there. But few and far between. The Sigma's have an unaccpetable return and defect rate over a 3-year peiod of time. Even Kel Tec managed to fix the P111.
Why would you want to risk your life to save some bucks?
And a good percentage of Glockers, Sigers, HK nuts can do sub 2-3" groups at 25 yards. I've never heard of the Sigmas being known for their accuracy. PLEASE.
If you don't have the money to buy a Glock, Sig, HK, Kimber, WAIT.
Go ahead - buy the Yugo. If I owned any SW's, I'd sell them. You'll only embarass yourself on the range.
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The Seattle SharpShooter
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jtDuncan. In my limited experience with them they did not have ftf or any other problems. I like Glocks a lot better, but I just didn't get the bashing. Since there were so many posts on this board about negligent gun handling by some police officers, I think the hard trigger pull was on par with a lot of double action revolvers. I wouldn't buy one because I prefer Glocks and other pistols. I would recomend them to people with limited experience interested in an auto at a good price($240 here SD).
Use the search function on this board and check back on previous threads for reports on the Sigma. My previous postings were none too flattering for the Sigma. Since they were posted, another local agency has had an administrative change, resulting in more range time for the officers, who, much to their dismay are finding out that their Sigma 40s are not very reliable. S&W is reported to be on the case.
As seen here, it appears that mileage varies greatly.
Kilroy...
...was here
As seen here, it appears that mileage varies greatly.
Kilroy...
...was here
Never trust your life to something that sounds like it came up the back of your throat. 
Seriously, I believe that for this type of gun, Glock and Sigmas are #1 and #2, but not necessarily in that order. I just happen to prefer the Sigma because of ergonomics. (it points more naturally and feels better to me) I have never had a misfeed or problem with my Sigma and neither has anyone else that works for my department.
Maybe we got lucky and got a good batch. Maybe the Glockaholics like to denegrade the competition to make thier choice look better. Maybe "clones" can be as good as the originals. Maybe, maybe, maybe.... All I know is that I've got a great gun and have never seen an actual case of a problem with any Sigma. I HAVE seen Glocks break and jam.
I have also seen a glock be abused terribly and continue functioning no matter what. I have a friend who torture tests his Glock on a regular basis. he has run over it with his truck, thrown it in the mud before firing, thrown it as high in the air as he could over a gravel covered range, and drug it behind his pickup with a rope - among other things. Yes this was all on purpose, he bought this Glock years ago with the intention of finding out how much it could take. My friend is totally committed to Glock's toughness. He has also been favorably impressed with our experience with our Sigmas. (I just can't afford to mistreat my Sigma like he can his Glock. Besides, the chief might get upset.
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They are both great guns and, assuming you didn't get a gun with problems - from either manufacturer, - they will serve you wll indeed.
Seriously, I believe that for this type of gun, Glock and Sigmas are #1 and #2, but not necessarily in that order. I just happen to prefer the Sigma because of ergonomics. (it points more naturally and feels better to me) I have never had a misfeed or problem with my Sigma and neither has anyone else that works for my department.
Maybe we got lucky and got a good batch. Maybe the Glockaholics like to denegrade the competition to make thier choice look better. Maybe "clones" can be as good as the originals. Maybe, maybe, maybe.... All I know is that I've got a great gun and have never seen an actual case of a problem with any Sigma. I HAVE seen Glocks break and jam.
I have also seen a glock be abused terribly and continue functioning no matter what. I have a friend who torture tests his Glock on a regular basis. he has run over it with his truck, thrown it in the mud before firing, thrown it as high in the air as he could over a gravel covered range, and drug it behind his pickup with a rope - among other things. Yes this was all on purpose, he bought this Glock years ago with the intention of finding out how much it could take. My friend is totally committed to Glock's toughness. He has also been favorably impressed with our experience with our Sigmas. (I just can't afford to mistreat my Sigma like he can his Glock. Besides, the chief might get upset.
)They are both great guns and, assuming you didn't get a gun with problems - from either manufacturer, - they will serve you wll indeed.
I just got rid of my sw40f. I hated the trigger on it. And disliked several other aspects of the gun. I thought I would give it a try. There aren't any places around where I live that you can rent a gun and try it out.If I had that option befor I purchased this peticular arm, I wouldn't have done so.But then again I own several Glocks and could have inadvertantly been compareing the sw40 to them." NOT EVEN CLOSE ". If you like the gun, buy it. But my choise would definitly be Glock.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gun Nutt:
I just got rid of my sw40f. I hated the trigger on it. And disliked several other aspects of the gun. I thought I would give it a try. There aren't any places around where I live that you can rent a gun and try it out.If I had that option befor I purchased this peticular arm, I wouldn't have done so.But then again I own several Glocks and could have inadvertantly been compareing the sw40 to them." NOT EVEN CLOSE ". If you like the gun, buy it. But my choise would definitly be Glock.[/quote]
I just got rid of my sw40f. I hated the trigger on it. And disliked several other aspects of the gun. I thought I would give it a try. There aren't any places around where I live that you can rent a gun and try it out.If I had that option befor I purchased this peticular arm, I wouldn't have done so.But then again I own several Glocks and could have inadvertantly been compareing the sw40 to them." NOT EVEN CLOSE ". If you like the gun, buy it. But my choise would definitly be Glock.[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by usmcjac:
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recently purchased a sw99, shoots very sweetly, and is a natural pointer. best of all, it is a decocker. put 500 rounds through in the last 3 weeks, no problems, and have consistently been shooting 2" groups at 15 yds.
take it easy on smith and wesson, they are trying to stay in the gun business. we have a lot of history with them, and they have sponsored much more to the shooting sports than glock will ever do!
there just trying to keep wild bill happy for one more year. pretty soon we'll have another spineless politician, and we start all over again with new agendas, maybe he will start a " save the sea monkeys " platform!
remember, things are not always what they seem, be smart, don't get into a s/w bashing frame of mind. we need them, i know i do.
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recently purchased a sw99, shoots very sweetly, and is a natural pointer. best of all, it is a decocker. put 500 rounds through in the last 3 weeks, no problems, and have consistently been shooting 2" groups at 15 yds.
take it easy on smith and wesson, they are trying to stay in the gun business. we have a lot of history with them, and they have sponsored much more to the shooting sports than glock will ever do!
there just trying to keep wild bill happy for one more year. pretty soon we'll have another spineless politician, and we start all over again with new agendas, maybe he will start a " save the sea monkeys " platform!
remember, things are not always what they seem, be smart, don't get into a s/w bashing frame of mind. we need them, i know i do.