SIG Sauer: The Break Up. Updates.

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More than likely, you'll give up on trying to wear it out before you actually reach the breaking point.
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I won't invest my faith in that. It's shredding metal already and it did so at a faster rate as it progressed.

Again, the life has been diminished.
 
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Sheesh. I didn't know that you were a better Sig Sauer pistolsmith than Bruce Gray. That's impressive. You know all of that just from a cell phone picture?

Bruce had to actually get the gun in his hand and analyze it before he came to his conclusions. You should definitely apply to be an engineer for Sig.

To be clear... it is literally taking aluminum shavings off of the rail when the gun is fired.... how many cycles do you think makes "a lot of rounds" to eat away at 1/8" of aluminum? It's going to get to a point where it's so thin, the stress is just going to crack it. I'd be pretty surprised if it made it another 1k rounds.

Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to have the opportunity to test that theory.
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"Some service life."

"Not a whole lot."

Do you really think it takes someone with years (decades really) as a pistolsmith to come to those conclusions? I have a lot of respect for GGI. Gray is a better smith and shooter than I will likely ever be. But what we have mentioned in this thread would be pretty obvious to most of us. We're talking about a guy with a backlog that is essentially a year last I heard, not to mention everything else on his plate. I am sure he looked at the pistol, but I have my doubts he did some kind of in-depth analysis.

I'm curious what the motivation for sending the pistol to Gray was. Gray has a strong relationship with SIG, but he doesn't control their CS department. It would be like me bringing my car to a top of the line tuning company to have them tell me something I pretty much already knew. It's good to have a confirmation I guess, but that still doesn't force the manufacturer to fix the problem. I didn't know if you had some kind of relationship with Gray in the past in terms of work.
 
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No offense--but the mere fact you state that it will fail with certainty--yet you intend to use it to failure--strikes me as being a determined competitor for the Darwin honorary self-removal gene pool award. Don't blame you for being upset with sig--but I wouldn't necessarily blow myself up to prove a point.
 
Tunnel Rat, SIG was dismissive from the get go and claimed to have never gotten my emails a couple times. So I sent it to Bruce myself and Bruce was the one who offered to take it to SIG. Why round anyone say no?
 
In the interest of understanding the situation more:

I get that Gray says the slide is out of specification. Needs a new slide

Is the frame damaged beyond the point of safe use already? I mean if one was to switch the slide tomorrow is the frame ok? I get that this is a matter of judgement and others can disagree with either answer you give.
 
I just hope when you get the handgun back,it's good to go in perfect shape.
Also glad Bruce Gray waved the inspection fee for you.
Also hope Sig Sauer sees how they did not make points, by being hard nosed in trying to work this problem out. They could have handled it a lot better IMHO.
 
I'm coming to this thread a little late but it sounds like you want sig to cover something that is out of warranty because it's dangerous to keep using it as is is that right? If so is that really a reasonable expectation? We're not talking a recall item, that is, there aren't 100s or 1000s of users expericing a systemic problem correct?
 
Sig could have at a minimum let it be shipped in for inspection, and then given a cost to repair it. Or found it was a Mfg. defect and replaced it at no cost.
But sig support was not willing to do anything at all, just kept saying it was a used handgun.
 
Sig could have at a minimum let it be shipped in for inspection, and then given a cost to repair it. Or found it was a Mfg. defect and replaced it at no cost.
But sig support was not willing to do anything at all, just kept saying it was a used handgun.
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The pistol was bought used so there is no warranty they are under no obligation to fix the pistol beyond their good will. It is the risk you take when you purchase a used Sig. Their warranty is pretty clear on the subject. Time to cut bait and sell the pistol for parts.
 
Give it back to the original owner and let him/her send it back! :D Just like I posted in the original post, its sad that Sig did not want to take a dangerous gun off the "streets" and would send it back out. S&W and Ruger have worked with owners even used guns to make the problem right because they want to be a company that you come back to in the future. Its a shame they are not willing to work with you at all. Good luck OP.
 
I'm curious what Sug would do if the gun were sent to them. Perhaps they would cover nothing, part, or all costs. It's partly why I am curious as to what the pistol is worth in as is condition
 
I implied nothing in regards to any Sig warranty, i just feel in would have been in the best interest, for both Sig Sauer and the OP to take a look at the handgun in question.:rolleyes:
 
I'm curious what Sug would do if the gun were sent to them. Perhaps they would cover nothing, part, or all costs. It's partly why I am curious as to what the pistol is worth in as is condition
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You can't fix the frame. I'm not aware of anyone welding material back onto an aluminum alloy frame and then reshaping the rail. The frame is unfortunately the serialized part. So if the frame is ruined, essentially so is the complete firearm in terms of simple repairs. SIG could issue a new slide, but that does nothing for the current wear on the frame (nor would it really alleviate my concerns personally).

Now you can sell off the individual parts, but the only remedy SIG could really do (at least that I can think of) would be to issue a new firearm. Manufacturers can do this, and have in the past, but SIG chose not to here. Someone mentioned on the other thread SIG issuing a coupon of sorts for another SIG pistol, but since SIG doesn't sell directly to customers I'm not sure how that would work. Someone mentioned SIG sending a certified pistol, but it's my impression that those pistols are sent out as soon as they're refurbished so I don't think they just have a shelf of them sitting around.

As I said in the other thread I don't think not issuing a new pistol makes SIG terrible, but nor would I blame someone who experiences this service from not choosing to patronize that company. Constantine has pointed out that he never personally demanded a new pistol and I believe him, I just think that were I in SIG's shoes I would see it as the only real "solution". Some companies follow the exact wording of their legal contracts, and some make allowances. Often I tell people to try again with another CS person (as that can make a big difference), but that seems to have been done here.

Out of my own curiosity, what can be done with a damaged frame? Since it's the serialized part I don't imagine you could just destroy and dispose of it yourself, right?
 
I implied nothing in regards to any Sig warranty, i just feel in would have been in the best interest, for both Sig Sauer and the OP to take a look at the handgun in question.
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I am not sure doing nothing isn't in Sig's best interest. I do not believe that this will move their bottom line one way or another. I am not sure what there is to look at. A known Sig smith has already looked at it and said its out of spec. The pistol was purchased used and is no longer under warranty.

That smith, Mr Gray, personally took it to Sig and they still refused to replace it siting the terms of the warranty. To properly repair the issue Sig would have to replace the slide and the frame at a min which they have stated they are unwilling to do. As Tunnelrat stated at that point it would make more sense to just replace it. The OP might not has asked for one but really that is the way to fix this gun.

It is unfortunate but I believe that the situation will not change. On a philosophical level I think the OP deserves a new pistol but I do not think he is going to get one. Like I said maybe time to just cut bait. Not all companies will go above and beyond when it comes to CS. Ruger, S&W and SA will but lots of others will not and site the warranty provided with the gun and will not go beyond the terms outlined. Seems like Sig is taking this approach.
 
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This whole thing is disturbing. I will not ever buy a sig because of this and other quality control issues I have heard about sig pistols lately. To me they are overpriced angways
 
Take it as a learning experience. Do a better job inspecting used guns before you buy....Only buy German made SIGs.....Dont bother complaining to SIG because they don't care about second hand guns.
 
The more i read the more i am thinking about, what happens if i start having problems, will Sig really honor their warranty for the original buyer?

Am sure many will tell me don't worry, Sig will be there for you if needed, myself i just don't feel that sure today.:(
 
The more i read the more i am thinking about, what happens if i start having problems, will Sig really honor their warranty for the original buyer?

Am sure many will tell me don't worry, Sig will be there for you if needed, myself i just don't feel that sure today.
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I would imagine it's like any warranty, if the terms are applicable then you have legal recourse if the warranty isn't honored. If my truck transmission fails, GM will repair it so long as I didn't do something to violate those terms. If the transmission fails after the warranty period is over or I've done something to violate the terms of the agreement then they aren't obligated to cover it and, in my experience, they won't even if it's dangerous for me to continue driving it.

If I told you my my transmission went out after my warranty lapsed and the manufacture didn't cover it, would you be afraid to buy a GM truck or would you think that you'd be covered provided you met the terms of coverage? In this case age and mileage but in the OPs case, original ownership.
 
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