SIG Sauer: The Break Up. Updates.

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Since my last thread was closed due to personal conflicts and I didn't want it to be closed, for updates among other reasons.. This thread will be for updates.

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Update after that thread:

Bruce Gray called me a few hours after I had started that thread, He waived the initial inspection fee and all I had to pay was for the return shipping. Which is great.

Going to inspect it some more when it gets back and I have a few doors to open when it does return. Some were suggested by some friends and others I have thought up myself.

Some have said to shoot it till it fails catastrophically.. I'm not necessarily against that but I also am. One, it's a huge waste of ammo on a gun I know is going to fail catastrophically and very soon. Two, I like my face. It's pretty.

Crush it with a forklift and post it on social media.

Send it to SIG and try with them directly and this time without a middle man. Which I feel is WORSE for me. And quite frankly, I'm just done with them altogether.

Sell it as is.

Sell it for parts. (What SIG told me.)



There are many people throwing their $0.02 in and it does amuse me greatly. I've turned it into somewhat of a learning experience for myself. Not just with the manufacturer as whole. But the build in general, people's opinions on the matter, etc.




As of now, I'm leaning more towards selling it as is to someone I know with full disclosure, or selling it to a shop.

Also, if you've already stated your opinion on the last thread, no need to do it again. We know... I know... I saw it. I want to keep this one clean.
 
Fire it from a rest while wearing protective gear so as to not be injured. Take video of the catastrophic failure and upload it to youtube with your story. Sig seems perfectly happy to let you shoot it and I think a failure video might be the justice they deserve.

I certainly am turned away from Sig based on this and the fact they would rather have a catastrophically faulty gun out in the wild than lose a couple bucks is ugly.

Reminds me of a scene in fight club where the narrator explains when a car company will do a recall. If the rate of failure is low enough that the cost of a recall exceeds the cost of settlements, no recall. That other posters have no problem with that kind of cynism and even seem to revel in the thought of you getting screwed by Sig because you bought used is troubling. I don't understand hating used buyers!
 
Fire it from a rest while wearing protective gear so as to not be injured. Take video of the catastrophic failure and upload it to youtube with your story. Sig seems perfectly happy to let you shoot it and I think a failure video might be the justice they deserve.

I certainly am turned away from Sig based on this and the fact they would rather have a catastrophically faulty gun out in the wild than lose a couple bucks is ugly.

Reminds me of a scene in fight club where the narrator explains when a car company will do a recall. If the rate of failure is low enough that the cost of a recall exceeds the cost of settlements, no recall. That other posters have no problem with that kind of cynism and even seem to revel in the thought of you getting screwed by Sog because you bought used is troubling.
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Just when I thought I had lost most of my hope for people to understand my perspective. You come along and hit the nail on head like a champ. AMEN!

This is exactly how I feel. They don't mind having a possible hand grenade out there with a potential lawsuit on their hands. I think I've heard of companies *Glock* taking back old frames that would KB and replacing them with new ones.
 
Send it to SIG and try with them directly and this time without a middle man. Which I feel is WORSE for me. And quite frankly, I'm just done with them altogether.
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Why would this be "worse for me"? I understand you'd have to pay shipping, but maybe if SIG could see the problems first hand and make measurements of the pistol to verify it's tolerances are out of specification - that could make a difference.

However, since you've apparently made up your mind that you're "done with SIG," and posted that previously - is it really necessary to continue to reiterate your disappointment in another thread?

You've gone out of your way to "warn" people in other threads about SIG, and it's beginning to appear that your agenda is to damage SIG as much as possible by posting negative comments and information about your situation whenever possible.

Hope it's making you feel better...because it's not doing much else at this point.
 
Fire it from a rest while wearing protective gear so as to not be injured. Take video of the catastrophic failure and upload it to youtube with your story. Sig seems perfectly happy to let you shoot it and I think a failure video might be the justice they deserve.

I certainly am turned away from Sig based on this and the fact they would rather have a catastrophically faulty gun out in the wild than lose a couple bucks is ugly.

Reminds me of a scene in fight club where the narrator explains when a car company will do a recall. If the rate of failure is low enough that the cost of a recall exceeds the cost of settlements, no recall. That other posters have no problem with that kind of cynism and even seem to revel in the thought of you getting screwed by Sig because you bought used is troubling. I don't understand hating used buyers!
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Interesting take on it but I don't think you are representing what happened accurately. I do not believe that Sig told the OP to shoot it to failure. IIRC they told him to sell the gun for parts and that the gun was not covered under warranty because he is not the original owner. I think that it is in the best interest of Sig to replace the gun but I do not believe that the owner is being "screwed" by Sig. They have simply stuck to the written guarantee they provided with the pistol. The OP worked at a gun shop and sold hundreds of Sigs and has owned maybe a dozen personally. I am sure he has read the manual at some point which states. He took a risk buying a used Sig. Many people do it with positive results. Most of the time it will not be an issue but this time it was and unfortunately Sig is sticking to their guns. ;)

SIG SAUER warrants that the enclosed firearm was originally manufactured free of defects in material, workmanship and mechanical function. For the lifetime of the original purchaser, SIG SAUER agrees to correct any defect in the firearm for the original purchaser by repair, adjustment or replacement, at SIG SAUER' option, with the same or comparable quality components (or by replacing the firearms at SIG SAUER' option); provided, however, that the firearm is returned unloaded and freight prepaid to SIG SAUER at 18 Industrial Drive, Exeter, NH 03833. . . .
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If it were me I would sell the pistol for parts. Sell the grips, sights, springs, barrel, trigger, hammer, sear, take down lever etc... you could end up with $350 to $400 depending on exactly what is on the pistol. Shooting a pistol to failure and posting a video is not going to move the needle when it comes to Sigs bottom line. I personally would take $400 in my pocket instead of a destroyed pistol.

I would also take a hammer to the slide and frame damaging it to the point where it will not function so that there is no chance that someone will be injured by shooting it down the road. I would hang it on the wall of my gun room and look at it anytime I had thoughts about buying another Sig. Life is too short to attempt to move the needle on this one. IMHO
 
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Out of curiosity, what would a catastrophic failure in this case look like? From what I can tell from the pictures it looks like the slide is slowly gouging the rail. It's odd to me that it happens in one particular spot like that (how is it getting the leverage?). My point is, I wonder if it would keep wearing until it destroys that section of rail, or like some mechanical issues reach a wear point and stay constant. For that matter, if it did it wear through the rail, what then? Many pistols only have small sections of rail rather than full length rails and are fine, but it would seem like there is some kind of upward force on the rail in this case so maybe the slide would partly move up off the rail?

Idk, it's just an interesting situation and I'd be curious of the end result. That said, I wouldn't shoot it to failure. I don't think it's a grenade but it could be a hell of a projectile (potentially into your face). Selling for parts is likely your best bet. My experience on that end is try manufacturer specific forums as they often return the most money.


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How exactly is it going to fail and why would you think it will be very soon?
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The slide is eating away at the frame rail... quite a lot, with only 1k rounds through it. Eventually it will be so thin that it breaks. According to Bruce Gray, the frame has very little life left in it...
 
The slide is eating away at the frame rail... quite a lot, with only 1k rounds through it. Eventually it will be so thin that it breaks. According to Bruce Gray, the frame has very little life left in it...
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Did Mr. Gray define very little life? Are we talking 100, 1,000, 2,000 5,000? I do not disagree that it will eventually fail but did he put a number on it? Maybe you know more than the OP has posted but he certainly has not expressed that Mr. Gray put a number on it.
 
Because you mentioned selling it with full disclosure I am curious as to A) what is it worth in the condition it is in? and B) what caliber?
 
Because you mentioned selling it with full disclosure I am curious as to A) what is it worth in the condition it is in? and B) what caliber?
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I won't say what I'm looking to get out of it. I'm not sure what the worth would be.

It's a 9mm.
 
The slide is eating away at the frame rail... quite a lot, with only 1k rounds through it. Eventually it will be so thin that it breaks.
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I think you're being a little overdramatic, in order for it to break it's going to need eat through the entire length of the frame rail so far it's only worn a small patch and very little at that. I agree that it may eventually fail but it's gonna take a lot of rounds.
 
I think you're being a little overdramatic, in order for it to break it's going to need eat through the entire length of the frame rail so far it's only worn a small patch and very little at that. I agree that it may eventually fail but it's gonna take a lot of rounds.
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Sheesh. I didn't know that you were a better Sig Sauer pistolsmith than Bruce Gray. That's impressive. You know all of that just from a cell phone picture?

Bruce had to actually get the gun in his hand and analyze it before he came to his conclusions. You should definitely apply to be an engineer for Sig.



To be clear... it is literally taking aluminum shavings off of the rail when the gun is fired.... how many cycles do you think makes "a lot of rounds" to eat away at 1/8" of aluminum? It's going to get to a point where it's so thin, the stress is just going to crack it. I'd be pretty surprised if it made it another 1k rounds.

Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to have the opportunity to test that theory.
 
If the slide is out of spec and is hammering an in-spec receiver, it would seem possible to buy a slide and have a working gun.
There are people selling "parts kits" from guns which were judicially destroyed by crushing the frame but leaving the rest to recoup a few bucks.

If the receiver is out of spec, then it is a collection of spare parts.
 
Wouldn't it have been nice if SIG Sauer offered me a new slide then? Didn't happen.


Also, if that part of the rail goes "bye-bye" the slide could potentially also go "bye-bye" which is not good.
 
It's time to move on and take your losses and lesson learned. What's the point of keep bringing this up over and over??

IMO VWsig gave excellent advice about selling what parts are good.
 
My opinion, not advice:

Fire it until it stops cycling properly (which will happen before a "catastrophic" failure).
Part it out.


More than likely, you'll give up on trying to wear it out before you actually reach the breaking point.
 
Also, if that part of the rail goes "bye-bye" the slide could potentially also go "bye-bye" which is not good.
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This is what I asked above. I'm curious if it would get to that point. You would need a petty large section of rail for it to be able to "escape" the frame. I envision it more as the slide getting jammed up on the frame.

Did Gray say if he thought it was the frame or the slide that was out of spec?
 
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