SIG P250 (9mm; full-sized) or equivalent?
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Onward Allusion
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P250 is a sleeper. Main reason why it hasn't been more successful is due to the majority of people who can't shoot real DAO. You should be able to get the P250 within your budget of $400. The ones below were on the first page of FOUR on Gunbroker...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=524736059
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=524673629
BTW, yes - I have two P250's. Love the ability to change frame size and caliber as well. Got 3 of the XChange kits!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=524736059
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=524673629
BTW, yes - I have two P250's. Love the ability to change frame size and caliber as well. Got 3 of the XChange kits!
Onward Allusion said:
I completely disagree. Current P250s are pretty good they have not been more successful because it took about 5 generation in less than 8 years to get it right. It also took over 5 years to get the modularity that they promised from day 1.
It failed the ATF trials and after being booted from the competition Sig declared that the ATF was putting too much emphasis on reliability.
Numerous contracts were canceled because Sig could not deliver reliable guns. Luckily these days these issues seem to be worked out. The price is what it is because they cannot sell them for more.
I bet most people do not even take advantage of the polymer Sig modularity, and that is a major selling point over something like a Glock. Being able to go from subcompact to carry (or full size for HD) is a tremendous benefit, but I think Sig was ahead of their time with the P250. IMO the story would've been different if they went for the P320 earlier, as a hammer fired DAO is not a preferred weapon for LEO.
Generally I do not like DAO handguns, and think they are better left to pocket carry (subcompact) for the additional safety measure. If they released just the P290RS from the start, and brought on the P320 it would have made more sense. But personally I feel that the larger sized guns in the P320 series make the P250 guns obsolete for their target audience (assuming CC and LEO contracts).
I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again... If you shot the P250 well and enjoyed it, your question has been answered. I still feel there are better offerings, but opinions will vary across the board. I would not question Sig's current reliability in regards to the P250, but I would much prefer one of their striker fired offerings. That would go double for someone in a LEO/security position.
Generally I do not like DAO handguns, and think they are better left to pocket carry (subcompact) for the additional safety measure. If they released just the P290RS from the start, and brought on the P320 it would have made more sense. But personally I feel that the larger sized guns in the P320 series make the P250 guns obsolete for their target audience (assuming CC and LEO contracts).
I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again... If you shot the P250 well and enjoyed it, your question has been answered. I still feel there are better offerings, but opinions will vary across the board. I would not question Sig's current reliability in regards to the P250, but I would much prefer one of their striker fired offerings. That would go double for someone in a LEO/security position.
johnwilliamson062
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Modularity is highly over-rated. Who actually uses any of the "modular" systems? Hardly anybody, and certainly no .gov organizations.
I had a 250. It was sort of like My Kahr and Glock had a baby. I like both those pistols, but sold the P250 real fast. Partly because I wanted it for carry and there simply were not enough advantages over my Glock to warrant purchasing new holsters and mags. If I was starting from scratch I might choose it.
I had a 250. It was sort of like My Kahr and Glock had a baby. I like both those pistols, but sold the P250 real fast. Partly because I wanted it for carry and there simply were not enough advantages over my Glock to warrant purchasing new holsters and mags. If I was starting from scratch I might choose it.
carguychris
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FWIW I think the P250's modularity would be more useful IF the additional modules were more reasonably priced.johnwilliamson062 said:
But they're not.
carguychris
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I was talking about the X-Change kits. For $300+, I'd rather get a whole second gun.TunnelRat said:
The grip modules ARE less expensive, but I'm still not crazy about the idea of possibly having to pay $50 extra to get a pistol to fit me (excepting the subcompact, which was available in only 1 grip module size the last time I checked). Multiple backstraps are IMHO a more elegant solution.
johnwilliamson062
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Tunnelrat, your talking about easy modifications more than what I would consider "modularity." The back straps, like the different grips, aren't for changing because "today feels like a big grip day', they are for setting the pistol to fit your hand once and leaving it that way.
I am acquainted with a half dozen AR upper receivers. All of them own lowers for every upper they use with any regularity at all.
I am acquainted with several people who own many many Encore or Contender barrels. They all have multiple frames. Enough for all the barrels they actually shoot.
It sounds great. I've bought into it multiple time. There is some more flexibility. Right now I am considering a G17 with a chopped grip. I might be able to get a 320 and set-it up in a similar fashion much more easily. Once it was set-up I would leave it as it is though. With multiple caliber kits I would end up throwing all but one 'in a box somewhere.'
I am acquainted with a half dozen AR upper receivers. All of them own lowers for every upper they use with any regularity at all.
I am acquainted with several people who own many many Encore or Contender barrels. They all have multiple frames. Enough for all the barrels they actually shoot.
It sounds great. I've bought into it multiple time. There is some more flexibility. Right now I am considering a G17 with a chopped grip. I might be able to get a 320 and set-it up in a similar fashion much more easily. Once it was set-up I would leave it as it is though. With multiple caliber kits I would end up throwing all but one 'in a box somewhere.'
I don't really think I even used the word modularity. I used the word module because that's what SIG calls them.
I don't think I ever said anything that countered this. What I said was that backstraps are simpler than swapping entire modules, but in my experience in terms of feel in the hand swapping the entire module makes a more noticeable impact (the VP9/P30 are an exception to this). I never claimed nor have I personally swapped such a thing on a daily basis. Like you I test and then use the one I like better in both feel and shooting (which aren't always the same, i.e. I like the feel of the Gen 4 Glock without a backstrap but I shoot better with the Medium backstrap installed).
Agreed. All I want are kits to go from the different sizes. Given that the Compact slide fits on the Subcompact frame that might be good enough for me.
I don't think I ever said anything that countered this. What I said was that backstraps are simpler than swapping entire modules, but in my experience in terms of feel in the hand swapping the entire module makes a more noticeable impact (the VP9/P30 are an exception to this). I never claimed nor have I personally swapped such a thing on a daily basis. Like you I test and then use the one I like better in both feel and shooting (which aren't always the same, i.e. I like the feel of the Gen 4 Glock without a backstrap but I shoot better with the Medium backstrap installed).
Agreed. All I want are kits to go from the different sizes. Given that the Compact slide fits on the Subcompact frame that might be good enough for me.
johnwilliamson062
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Module, modular, modularity. With the recent pistol redesign request from DOD catch the marketing words of the year, and they all flow together in my mind.
I'm not saying it is all bad. I have a love-hate relationship with my Encore. I looked up my options with a Sig 320 for a long barrel and short grip when I got home from work today. Looks like price would be about the same as my glock options and I would need a new holsters for a G17 length slide anyways. By the end I bet it costs a lot more though.
I'm not saying it is all bad. I have a love-hate relationship with my Encore. I looked up my options with a Sig 320 for a long barrel and short grip when I got home from work today. Looks like price would be about the same as my glock options and I would need a new holsters for a G17 length slide anyways. By the end I bet it costs a lot more though.
StumpShooter
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I think a Walther PPX is worth a look. It's affordable (I've seen them under $300 lately), reliable, high capacity, and has a great trigger.
If you like the SIG P250 and you shoot well w/it, then go w/the P250.
I carried a P250 EDC for a couple of years after I got used to the trigger, it was exceptionally accurate & reliable.
The only reason I switched to the P320 Compact is for faster followup shots.
Btw, the modularity of the P250/P320 allows you to make stippling mistakes that only cost $40 to replace (instead of the entire frame) and hybrid combos impossible w/other handguns (ex: P250 subcompact slide on a bobbed compact grip module, or compact slide on a full size grip module) in addition to the X-Change kits for different calibers.
Tomac
I carried a P250 EDC for a couple of years after I got used to the trigger, it was exceptionally accurate & reliable.
The only reason I switched to the P320 Compact is for faster followup shots.
Btw, the modularity of the P250/P320 allows you to make stippling mistakes that only cost $40 to replace (instead of the entire frame) and hybrid combos impossible w/other handguns (ex: P250 subcompact slide on a bobbed compact grip module, or compact slide on a full size grip module) in addition to the X-Change kits for different calibers.
Tomac
Dirty_Harry
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You said you like the HK, so save a couple hundred and get a P2000. They can be had for $650ish new now. Same perfect do it all size as a Glock 19.
Then again, if you doing that well with the P250, why is this a question?
Then again, if you doing that well with the P250, why is this a question?
David L. Smith
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Great replies & Discussion!
My humble thanks to everyone for the many great replies & discussion. You have all provided great input - THANK YOU!
Happy Holidays and Good shooting!
My humble thanks to everyone for the many great replies & discussion. You have all provided great input - THANK YOU!
Happy Holidays and Good shooting!
Whatever you do don't order a PPX online without handling one first. The slide on the thing is enormous to the point of being cartoonish. It makes a Hi Point look svelte. PPX and CCW should never be used in the same sentence.
A S&W M&P 9mm or FNH FNS 9mm should be able to be had this weekend for right around $400.
A S&W M&P 9mm or FNH FNS 9mm should be able to be had this weekend for right around $400.