sig p238 vs ?

Had the Sig P238 from last year 1,400 rounds of pure hell, never made 50 rounds without an issue. 4 times to Sig final one was a replacement.

Replaced it with a Kahr P380 - lover it carry it regularly.

Sig P232 in Stainless, have 3 of those, wonderful, but larger, but darn near perfect items.

Kahr PM9 would be worth a look as you upgrade to the 9mm in a small package, very sweet item indeed.
 
Why not get something like a springfield emp or a kimber ultra?

If you are bent on a sig, go for a 232 if you got a 380 itch or a 239 if you want something with a lil more pep.
 
I don't think I'd want to pocket-carry a single action pistol without a backstrap safety or some other kind of redundant safety. Just my 2cents.
 
"Why not get something like a springfield emp or a kimber ultra?"


I would love an emp also, but it is too big for the pocket of thin dress pants and it is i little over my price range..... it is a goal though
 
Four different Kel-Tecs--one P32, two P3ATs, one P11. Never could get any of them to work well enough to trust. KTRange, free parts from Cocoa Beach, lots of practice at F&B, fresh mags, different brands/types of ammo...same result.

K-T will never see another dime of my money.

Two LCPs, one 370 series and one 371 series, both work perfectly from round one.

That said, I'm looking at the Kahr P380.

No matter what the Gaston-ites say, there is no such thing as perfection...there is only a continuum. Where you are (or care to stay) on that continuum is up to you.

I prefer to move ever upward.
 
had a Sig P238.....loved it......traded it straight up for an even better Kahr PM9. Just because it's a great feeling pistol I'd like to have another.
 
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it's just not possible to justify a statement that the .22LR is superior to a .380.

I am surprised that no one else went with BnReal in favor of the Walthers. I do not own one, but they have gotten generally very favorable reviews by owners and reviewers. Pricier than the Rugers, though.
 
If you look at the specs of the 238 and the PM9, it appears that you can carry the 9mm without much of a weight or size penalty. That sort of pointed me away from the Sig 238 (although I have a 226 I like a lot). Plus, I already have steel-framed Beretta and Colt 380s.
 
I believe P238 is a clone of the Colt Mustang (which shd NEVER have been discontinued IMO), and I have both a Mustang and a P232. I love both. Mustang shoots all ammo I've tried, and it (and therefore presumably P238) has no equal I'm aware of as a SAO .380 that is as small and light. My stainless Mustang in an IWB is the most comfy CC pistol I've worn--S&W Airweight by comparison is less comfy due to amount of grip exposed above my waistband.
Glad Sig finally came out w/ their P238! The rosewood grip version is a gem of a little pistol.
P232 a lovely gun, longer and a bit heavier, and it has standard night sights. ALSO you can upgrade P232 w/ Crimson Trace whereas that option isn't availabe for a Mustang. I have seen front-mounted lasers on P238, though that increases the overall dimensions in ways LGs don't, and I wonder how that wd affect carry comfort.
 
Another recent-production 238 owner here with absolutely no problems. Wonderful little gun and my EDC - in a pocket holster, cocked and locked. The sky did not fall, and I have a gun I am accurate with. Not politically correct on the Internet though, they are all dangerous jam-o-matics.

It is hilarious to see other pistols being recommended that either have been the subject of a recall or should have been recalled but weren't for marketing reasons (I'm talking to you, Kel-Tec).

Look, a lot of small guns have reliability issues when they're first released. Everything mentioned in this thread had teething problems at some point. To recommend something with a checkered history and then eternally impugn the very design of another gun with similar teething problems seems kind of silly.

Funny how Ruger got a free pass on public forums for making us beta-testers of their .380, but Sig's 238 is roundly condemned as if this has never happened before. Makes me wonder, having owned my fair share of lemons from every manufacturer.

Expect 2 or 3 years of production by any top-tier manufacturer before a company gets the hang of it. Even then they will still sell you something every now and then that's so dysfunctional you'll swear no human eye ever fell upon it at the factory.
 
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Not politically correct on the Internet though, they are all dangerous jam-o-matics.
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Not just the internet.:rolleyes:

Some of the more common "internet jams" mine encountered.

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For the difference in price between the Ruger and SIG, you'd have thought SIG might have got it right the first time, instead of the beta test thing. For what my P238 cost, I could have bought two LCP's.

Its a little annoying the $300 gun works fine, where the $600 (its actually a good bit more, since you have to figure in wasted time troubleshooting, ammo wasted, and shipping, etc) gun is only now catching up.

If your gun works, I'm happy for you. Mine didnt, and I dont miss it a bit. Even if it did work, I'd probably have let it go anyway, as it didnt/doesnt do anything better than my Seecamps, which I think are still the ones all the rest are judged by.
 
went for the

Taurus 709 Slim for the missus-won't run,,extraction problems,,now I see Ruger has come out with a 9mm LCP !!!
 
e4for2, you might try giving the Taurus a good chamber / feedramp polishing since it kinda sounds like it might have a rough chamber.
 
Much to my surprise, I took my 238HD out last weekend and I got off 200 rounds with minimal jams only in the first 100 rounds. I have to give SIG their due. They appear to have fixed mine.

Let me get another 500 to 1000 rounds down it and I may start carrying it.
 
Guess I got lucky

In case anyone is keeping score - the Sig 238 I bought in early December continues to function well - 1 FTF in the first 100 rounds, 0 FTF since then with over 600 rounds total. It's what I wanted, and I'm glad I got it.
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For the difference in price between the Ruger and SIG, you'd have thought SIG might have got it right the first time, instead of the beta test thing. For what my P238 cost, I could have bought two LCP's.
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Well of course they should have gotten it right the first time. It's a rip-off that companies do this. Would you feel better if you had actually purchased 2 LCP's when they first came out and shipped as non-functional basket-cases that were recalled? They seem ok now, and the Sig seems like it has been revised as well. That's all I'm saying. I absolutely believe you had serious problems with your 238.

Hell, I ordered an S&W .44 spec. NightGuard that cost a lot more than my 238, and it wouldn't revolve when I opened the box. Do you think I was disgusted? Yep. But they fixed it and I don't feel the need to perpetually run it down either.
 
and I don't feel the need to perpetually run it down either.
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At what point, by responding to a question asked does it become perpetual run down? :)


From your response, it appears S&W did fix it. There are quite a few reports of multiple return trips on the P238's that suggest otherwise, which just add insult to injury.

From the more recent reports, SIG seems to be getting things turned around with the P238, which, if its what you want, is a good thing, and maybe the negativity will stop. Then again, a lot of people seem to like to bash SIG these days, P238 or not. Im not one of them either, as SIG is one of the few makers of guns Ive owned, that have for the most part, been trouble free. My P238 was SIG #18 for me, and the only one that was trouble. Hey, I suppose its an inevitability if you keep buying them, and sooner or later, the honeymoon has to end. No divorce here with SIG yet, but I have run a bunch of the kids off, and Im currently having an affair with a couple of Glocks. :)
 
The Sig being a copy of the old Colt Mustang makes it a single action 1911 style auto with a manual safety. This is fine when carried in a proper, high quality rig designed for condition 1 carry. I passed on it and got the Kahr 380 because I wanted something I could throw in my pocket or stick in my boot. I would never trust the safety not inadvertently coming off under the conditions that I carry the 380, and I would never carry a 1911 style pistol that was not in condition 1. May as well have a rock.

Bill
 
I have a Taurus TCP and love it. Under $300 if you look around. The later postings I have seen are most all positive. FTF / FTE issues sound like they have been worked out. Not the same for the new Bodyguard 380, but in time S&W will most likely fix the trigger and lazer problems. The TCP has the BEST trigger, a lockback feature, and two clips. Hard to beat for the $$s.
 
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