Sig P229 or P229 DAK

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Jack.Ruby

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Im looking to get a good carry gun in .357 SIG. I have already shot the Glock 32 which I like very much. But I would like to know about the competitors.
Specifically the Sig Sauer P229. I havent gotten to play with it yet but wanted your opinions on the gun. And can anyone tell me the difference between the P229 and the P229 DAK?
Any other info on the gun would be nice too

thanks
 
P229 is a standard DA/SA, very good. The p229 DAK, is DAO. The pull 6.5 pounds, and very long. Lighter than most DAOs though. The reset on it is weird though. If you bring trigger all teh way forward after firing, its back to 6.5lbs, if you let it go to the intermediate restet, its 8.5:confused: wonder whoc ame up with that. It is smooth and hardcore revovler fans seem to like it. I hate DAO atos though, the pull is a mile long and too much can go wrong, i shoot much better with SA triggers. Id get the DA/SA.
 
From elsewhere:

DAKs do not have one trigger pull, or even two. I'll take a shot at explaining:

There are two hammer positions, and two trigger positions, and three possible trigger pulls.

Insert magazine and chamber a round. The hammer is in the rebound position with the trigger all the way forward. From here the shooter encounters a full length, consistent trigger pull of approximately 6.5 pounds.

A shot is fired, which cycles the slide. As the trigger is allowed forward it resets at approximately half way forward; there will be an audible click. If the shooter decides to pull the trigger at this stage a half length, consistent trigger pull of approximately 8 pounds is encountered.

If the shooter returns the trigger all the way forward the full length, consistent 6.5 pound trigger pull is encountered.

If the shooter drops the hammer on a round and it fails to fire, the hammer will remain all the way forward. A full length, consistent trigger pull of approximately 12 pounds is encountered.

Practically speaking, the shooter has to decide whether to work the reset or not. Beginners usually opt not to, experienced shooters usually opt to do so. That allows room to "grow" into the gun, by the way, and I've seen people do so nicely. The explanation of the DAK makes it sound much more complicated that it is for the end user.

(Quoted weights are approximate. Approximately mine, that is. Don't get too hung up on my terminology, either, as it may and probably does differ from the manual's.)
 
When I get a Sig, I have shot quite a few, it will be the standard DA/SA version. I would rather train around one hard pull followed by a lot of great pulls than train on the DAK system, but that is my opinion.

The Sig is a great product, but IMO a little heavy for a 24/7/365 carry gun. The Glock definitely has the weight advantage.

Both are great choices.

May I suggest another choice: Smith and Wesson M&P .357 Compact!!
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=52410&tabselected=over&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15711

This is a quality product line. My M&P 9mm has seen thousands and thousands of rounds, and has never malfunctioned!! They are supremely easy to shoot. Consistent trigger pull, smooth and safe.
 
I think if I were going to fire the 357sig round I'd want something like a P229. I've got a 229 9mm DA/SA, among other Sigs, and found it to be a fine pistol.
 
I have a 239 DAK and a 229 DA/SA. The trigger pull is so much easier on the 229. If I had to do it over again I would have bought a DA/SA 239 instead of DAK.
 
I had a 229 once and yes they are somewhat bulky for their size. Have you considered an HK USP Compact in 357 Sig? Same size, lighter and just as accurate...I carry one.

Just another option.
 
FWIW my friend has a fairly new 229 in 9mm. Perhaps it's the heavy SS slide, but that thing is the softest shooting 9 I've ever tried.

Now I really like my Sig 220, but his gun would be a lot easer to carry and the fatter grip fits my hand better.
 
I'm 5' 6", 170, and have both SIG P226's and P229's (DA guns) in 357SIG, and a Glock 31, and never had troubles carrying any of them in IWB type holsters. The SIG's are not heavy, nor are they bulky. At least I never thought they were. No worse than the Glocks or anything else of similar size.

If your looking at a P229, I'd suggest looking at a P226 at the same time. The size difference between them is minimal, and the grip on the P226 feels a tad better in my hands. Another difference is, that half inch in extra barrel on the 226 gives you almost another 100 fps in velocity from the 357SIG. Same goes for the Glocks, 31 vs 32, and you gain a couple of rounds with the bigger Glock, over both the 32 and the SIG's.

The Glock is a little snappier to shoot over the SIG's. Its not bad, but it is noticeable.
 
If your looking for a daily CCW, I would have to reccomend the Glock 23 over the Sig 229.

I'm 5'10 and 185lbs... The 229 is do-able, but I carry my G23 way more often. The weight is the main factor.

You would sacrifice a little capacity, but if you want to CCW a Sig, look at the 239... great gun and IMHO conceals better than both.
 
"Anyone carry the 229 think its too heavy?"

No.

"Im only 5'8'' 175 lbs. maybe the glock is better for me?"

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Base that on ergonomic preferences, perhaps perceptions that one will conceal better than the other, not an 8 oz difference in unloaded weight.
 
Go for DA/SA SRT

I recently acquired the Sig p229 SAS Gen 2, that is the traditional DA/SA with one significant improvement. The short reset trigger in single action mode. Makes follow up shots faster, smoother and on target. There is less forward trigger travel for the reset. This gun also has the carry melt slide, no rail, and night sights. Works for me.:cool:
 
I have a P229 traditional DA/SA, and agree...it's kind of heavy to tote around concealed. I've never been a big fan of plastic guns, but I'm willing to learn...
 
stay with the regular sig 229,i love mine and do carry it often.Glocks are great and have their place like mine,in the safe.My sig 357 and my S&W 686 .357 get carried the most.Both are heavy with little to no recoil and both fit my hand like a glove.You can find them all day at www.summitgunbroker.com

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DAK Explanation

D-A-K, which stands for Double Action Kellerman. I found the following on a website called hipowersandhandguns.com, which will save me a lot of typing:

"DAK: The initials stand for "Double-Action-Kellerman" in honor of the man who came up with the idea. When the trigger is pressed on the DAK-equipped pistol, the hammer is cocked via a "leg" on the hammer that extends the distance between where the force is applied and the pivot hole of the hammer. This results in a much lighter trigger pull due to improved leverage. The DAK pull on a SIG P229 I measured is just over 6.5 pounds. While reset is nowhere near as short as the single-action 1911, it is not bad at all for real world use. In practiced hands, there is a shorter reset available. This results in a slightly heavier pull, but a shorter one. I am still learning this system and cannot use the shorter reset point with any kind of speed; I'm sure others can.


Though new compared to the conventional or selective double-action and certainly the single-action auto, the DAK system does seem to work. The Texas Department of Public Safety has used it for several years now; it seems to be easy enough for troopers to get the hits with and I'm finding no reports of chronic frailties within the system.


Speaking for myself, were I going to an auto strictly for protection and couldn't use a single-action automatic for whatever reason, at this point I'd cast my lot with SIG-Sauer's DAK pistols.


At this point in time, my only first-hand experience has been with a P229R in 9mm and a P220 SAS (SIG Anti-Snag) in .45 ACP. To say that I have been pleasantly surprised is an understatement. Though I favor the single-stack P220 in .45 ACP, the double-stack P229 in 9mm does have a smoother action, not by much but it is there. I have read that the double-stack guns generally do have smoother DAK actions but I am not sure that I understand why…not at this point anyway. What I do know is that if a person can shoot a double-action revolver accurately, he should be able to do the same with the DAK. Yes, they are that good in my opinion."

If you are new to DA/SA, and are buying a gun to carry for self-defense, I'd buy the DAK. It's unquestionably the most innovative "DAO" yet and is a much easier trigger pull to learn than DA/SA. It also forces a longer time between shots, which can be critical to a new shooter. Remember - EVERY round you fire in anger comes with a lawsuit attached.
 
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