Sick of hearing about Glock kBs!

Glock has a number of problems. One is shooters thinking the Glock is a religion. It is just a gun and has some failings. The kaboom reputation is well earned with the .40 cal guns and Glock is slow to change what they know will solve it. We are NOT talking 100% reloads. That is a good excuse that falls flast to those of us in the biz. Many PD's have had a problem using factory ammo.
One thing is interesting is that noted gun rag writer (and friend) claims he can't find a kaboom where a non-glock barrel was used on the gun. That kinda says something.....doesn't it?
Remember in the early 90's when Glock put off RECALLING hundreds of thousands of G17's that had problems with slamfires and multiple burst discharges until it got out of hand and they had to do something. Glock has been slow to respond to such problems.
Kinda like when their web page will be up. Recently Glock did something very very right, but it isn't about the guns but marketing. Hope they wake up soon.

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Darrell,

Not being a glock-type, what are you referring to here: "Recently Glock did something very very right, but it isn't about the guns but marketing."
 
I guess GLOCKs are not as "tough" as some people say they are. I am sure people who have had them Kb in there hands were pretty "SICKENED" too...

[This message has been edited by James Montes (edited December 30, 1999).]
 
Go to www.glocktalk.com under the General Glocking forum and look at the pictures of that G 21 that blew up from a double-primed reload. It hurts just to see it. They guy it happened to is treating it like a splinter in the finger after a day of wood cutting. I hope and pray he's alright but if it were me, I believe I'd be looking at another make of pistol. He stated that they were going to sell him a new one for $275.00 and he felt like that was a bargain. Rest assured they are hoping that no lititgation will result from it. In any event, Best wishes to this gentleman for s speedy and complete recovery.

There sure are an awful lot of folks out there shooting bad reloads through Glocks or something is out of kilter. Don Speir claims to have documented 94 kb's. I am an Ex-Glocker and with detailed experience in engineered plastics, I think I will stick with steel and aluminum for the time being.

I firmly believe that it comes down to application. If you shoot a given pistol thousands of times frequently, these things will happen. I for one prefer the kb outcome with a steel or aluminum frame versus a polymer animal.

The average Joe who shoots his handgun 700 times per year if that much,will be well-served by a Glock and so will his Grandchildren. Likewise, the LEO that carries alot and shoots a little will be in good shape,especially in the rain.

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The S&W Revolver, Cheapo Llama 9mm, and Sig 229 .40 S&W that I saw after a kb had occured looked bad but the one thing they didn't do is cause that strange trigger damage like most of the Glock kb's I have seen in photographs. That in and of itself scares the living daylights out of me. Imagine life with no trigger finger on your strong side!

James Montes, a regular to TFL and Sig Sauer's greatest fan in the Lower 48 would love to hear this. The guy who had the kb with the P229 .40 S&W suffered no lacerations whatsoever! The full-length slide rail held tough and saved him as he pulled the trigger on a double-primed re-load. Amazingly, it blew the mag straight down on the ground between his feet almost as if by design. There was frame damage but not to the extent of what is customary with a Glock.

Prichard, my good man, you are correct by asserting that bad things happen when ALL handguns go kaboom. I will stand by the premise that excessive shooting of any make of pistol can lead to kabooms. As is true of all earthly things: "what the moths do not corrupt, the thieves will take away". Shooting is a wonderful thing but I look forward someday to walking streets of gold where the sun always shines and there are no NICS checks, no kb's and no need to pay $100 for a high cap mag! Until that time, I hope to keep hunting and shooting.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
pluspinc makes a good point about Glock, Inc. Gaston has perhaps more ego than is "sporting," and his attitude apparently trickles down the whole organization. nobody's perfect, but the Glock organization pretends to be, and it is definitely bad karma to ignore existing problems because problems aren't "policy". the Glock design, while innovative, is not the ultimate design, and if Gaston ain't careful he may get overtaken by newer and better designs.

as for Glock kBs, unlike most or all of you I have experienced one "first hand" pardon the pun. as described above for the Sig, the mag blew out, the case head extracted and the rest of the case was stuck in the chamber. the only damage to me (other than bad nerves) was a blow to my trigger finger that induced some arthritis that lasted about six months. sent the gun back to Smyrna, other than removing the case remains and a general cleanup, no parts needed replacing. the case had failed about 0.5mm forward of the extractor groove, with a nearly perfect circular crack failure. there was no evidence of a blowout over the ramp. the ammo was the infamous Federal Hydrashok of about 1993 vintage.

as it turned out, I has several other case failures from that batch with a different Glock that I did not realize (no kB, but inspection of the cases upon sweepup showed a couple with the circumferential crack, and a couple with a big feed ramp bulge. unfortunately, good ol' Federal had not yet fessed up to their bad brass (and only did so months after the ammo had been on the market awhile).

so, given the above experience, and my three engineering degrees, what gun do I shoot? Glock. at least until I can give the Steyr a try; field reports indicate better ergonomics than the Glock.

if anyone wants to prove that problems are only from reloads and/or Glocks, I still have a few boxes of that Federal ammo. drop by and I'll be happy to give it to you for testing in some other pistol design; you'll just need to sign a few waivers first!
 
I'm not a company man for Glock by a big stretch and just think Glock is just a gun like any other.
However, recently many PD's decided not to sell, trade in or dispose of thier guns. Some even will destroy them.
Glock started to tell depts they will "lease" them guns, thus the dept isn't the owner of the guns but Glock retains ownership.
A dept of say 100 officers can avoid putting about about $40,000 for new guns and can RENT them for a small fee each month and on a regular basis turn them back and get new guns. Kinda like cars. A smart move on Glock's part to save destruction of a lot of good guns. Will be interesting to see how many PD's will go for it. The most bold marketing move I've seen Glock try yet.
It would also allow some small depts to buy the returned Glocks and save money, and also the civilian market of security officers and others who use such guns for self defense.
 
Willbeararms,

True I am a SIG fan, but I think "ALA DAN" has me beat as the "biggest" SIG fan in the lower 48. He has quite a collection.

Especially, since the model 1911 is my all time favorite AUTO loader.

I also would like to state that I think that GLOCK makes a good weapon for a lot of people. Not me mind you. However, like all manufacturers there is no such thing as a perfect gun. The closest I've seen are those beautiful customs by WILSON, LES, ED B., ETC; ETC;

GLOCK, SIG, HK? COLT? SPRINGFIELD, S&W ETC; All good weapons, all with one flaw or another...

...sorry.




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This isn't rocket science guys! I know cuzz I asked a real rocket scientist about this. :)

Glock 40/45/357 barrels are more than strong enough, but they are _not_ as strong as some others. They _will_ blow cases and rupture barrels before some others. Why? Cuzz they have looser chambers, thinner chamber walls and less case support. Common sense. There is less steel between you and the fool at the factory or reloading bench. :).

BTW, we had several kBs w Rem factory 40 S&W ammo (165 FMJ UMC) here this summer. Just blew cases in the USPs and SIGs, blew up the Glocks and Kel-Tecs (ruptured barrels, cracked slides, split frames). Years ago when the Sheriff's dept was looking at the Glock 45s, they had several kBs w locally reloaded ammo that worked fine in SIGs and S&Ws. A blown up Glock 40 this summer (the first in over 8 yrs), but they still trust em.

Have already heard of several kBs in 357 SIG Glocks w Speer, Rem, and Federal factory ammo too. Mostly blown cases, but one ruptured barrel (Speer factory ammo too). Contact me off line for a pic. :)

You are closer to the edge in Glock, but should be plenty far enough away if you are careful. Isn't worth all the worry.


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[This message has been edited by BrokenArrow (edited December 31, 1999).]
 
Hmmmmm. That 9mm Glock looks better all the time. Then again, mine cost $15 plus shipping. :)



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Don

"Its not criminals that go into schools and shoot children"
--Ann Pearston, British Gun Control apologist and moron
 
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