Should Stockpilling Be Illegal?

I suspect a lot of people are guilty of the crime of hording.I was taught to stockpile for lean times when the good time are here.This by parents that where a probuct of the 30 depression.It has helps me eat in lean times.If the goverment thinks they can dictate how much food I have they can go to H**l.I will treat them like any other looters.As far as shareing?Let the sheeple eat each other.I have been given too much crap for my ideas over the years to share with them and yes I carry a grudge.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
Futu, according to your way of thinking, being a good samaritan is foolish.

Are you suggesting that we charge people when we help them.

This BS about (CAPITALISM) is what has caused the problems we pesently are experiencing with our government.

We have in our country these mega large corporations who presently run every freaking thing, and they do it in the name of (CAPITALISM).

JFK was assasinated because of (CAPITALISM).

Klinton is selling us out to the Chicoms in the name of (CAPITALISM).

Gas prices are as high as they ever have
been, all in the name of (CAPITALISM).

Woe unto you, or anyone else who shows up in my neighborhood selling neccessities at inflated prices when people are in need.

It will be considered criminal activity, and you will be delt with accordingly.

Your comments are of a shallow and money hungry parasite.

The US was built by (FREE ENTERPRISE) not
(CAPITALISM).

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Stockpiling is OK, and nobodies busines, but, yours.

Waterdog



[This message has been edited by Waterdog (edited September 04, 2000).]
 
Yeah, stockpiling is dangerous. A few years back when a Large tornado hit Utah, and the government couldn't get it's (expletive deleted) together, the LDS types brought food and water to bear on the problem, and, well, solved it.. dangerous indeed. no fema intervention required......
 
About the only thing I havent heard is giving your supplies away in the name of public safety ("you know its for your own good") Seems I have heard the same types of arguements from the state legislature out here in kali. Glad I am armed for there seems to be quite a bit of Looter Logic, surprisingly on a board where so many proclaim personal responsibility and the rights of the individual. Looks as if big brother is doing a fine job.

Way too much socialism going on in this thread, perhaps HelgeS is back with a different name?
Last reponse on this one from one of the evil ones who think you can damn well do as you please when it comes to your own personal property, that includes firearm management for all the looters out there. They better pack a lunch (no pun intended).

Have a nice day.
 
Waterdog, "Woe unto you, or anyone else who shows up in my neighborhood selling neccessities at inflated prices when people are in need."

What makes you think a profiteer would show up at all if you required him too lose money?
 
There's a lot of talk here about "anti-hoarding" laws. Can anyone provide a specific cite for these laws? I mean, EXACTLY what page, paragraph, and section of the U.S. Code contains them? :confused:
 
Waterdog, it is readily apparent that you did not take the course in logic. Whether or not it is or should be OK to charge for any commodity, necessity or luxury, at a market price, has NOTHING to do with whether it's a good idea, or useful, or helpful, to be a charitable person, or samaritan. I'm all for that! But look, if a bunch of samaritans had showed up with FREE water, then the MARKET PRICE of the entrepeneur's water would have been zero or negligible. I have absolutely no problem with that fact. BUT, if they, the entrepeneurs are the ONLY ones who get off their arses and bring the water, then the victims would be GLAD to pay the $4 market price, and the entrepeneurs would be glad to sell it, so it's a self-correcting mechanism. Under your logic, it's better for people to die of thirst rather than enter into a mutually beneficial agreement, IF there is no charity, as is often the case. I'm not talking about Microsoft here - I'm all for reigning in corporate power. Do you think MS was selling water? No, it was local small entrepeneurs. Also, the capitalist system and "free enterprise" system are synonymous under most people's (and the dictionary's) definition - maybe not yours but.... I have a clue bat I could loan you. Just ask.
 
Waterdog, when the government is managing free enterprise then it becomes socialism not capitalism. Capitalism is when people work out their business on their own, the mutually beneficial solutions usually occur.
 
Hoarding?
What is hoarding? Lots of money in the bank?
That's hoarding. Stocks making money (hopefully) is that hoarding?
All of it is planning for the future.
I have some water and some "spare" food.
I buy 20 bags of dog food at a time. I get a bit of a cut and it's a trip to get there and back. Is that hoarding?
Hoarding is PREPARING for an uncertain future. Like insurance.

Be safe, MDS
 
One of the few things I really like about the Mormon church is that they encourage stockpiling(at least they used to, not sure anymore).

There are LDS guys here that can certainly verify that.

I plan to be ready for anything within reason, and I simply will not tolerate being told no on that. If they take all my guns away I will just figure out a way to make my own. If they take all my food away I will just steal food from them to replace it. I will be obedient as long as the government is as well.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Grayfox

One way to solve the problem of $100.00 per gallon of water is say it's NOT for sale at any price.
 
Where can I find the laws concerning stockpiling? What about ammo? When did the MRE executive order come about? This is new to me and does give me reason for concern. Somebody give me a clue.

Regards,
MP
 
Although I am not LDS, my daughter is, and as far as I know, they ENCOURAGE, not require, food storage for at least 1 year, although I have heard that they are leaning towards 2 years. Do You suppose they know something we don't? Do I have stored food?, further, deponent sayeth not!
crankshaft
paranoia is a very good thing to have when they actually are out to get You!
 
Mormons tend to be very pragmatic. No matter what else you may think about them, you gotta admit that if the rest of us adopted the same kind of fundamental "take care of your own" doctrine, there would be little or no use for Uncle Sugar.

Personally, if the poo-poo ever does hit the fan, I'd be thinking about a quick conversion ;)
 
Well, I'm sure a lot of it came from their experience when they were at war with the US Federal troops prior to the Civil War. They were actually winning it quite handily if I remember correctly.

I'm not sure exactly what it was over, but I imagine it was a territorial issue. Not sure how the local indians fared, but probably got a lot of hassle from both sides of the fight.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Utah War: 1857-1858. Not really a war, but our guerillas managed to really slow the army down. Mostly through harrasing supply trains.

It started when some disgruntled federal officials told James Buchanan that the Mormons where in revolt. The army came out ready to burn SLC. All of the Mormons where prepared to evacuate and in fact thousands did. Thats why the Mormon guerillas tried to slow their progress.

Luckily when the army arrived, cooler heads prevailed. There was no revolt. The army stayed around for a while and then left.

Current LDS food storage is not a result of this, but rather a way to be prepared for all sorts of emergencies or natural disasters. We are encouraged to be prepared.

For example, ask people who where around when hurricane Andrew hit Florida. Local Mormons where on scene giving aid and helping out long before the National Guard showed up. Most areas have whats reffered to as a Bishop's Storehouse, it is a warehouse of food and other supplies that can be opened up when neccesary. As was said earlier, we do try to take care of our own. (and then everybody else) :D

Well thats your Utah history lesson for today class.
 
Correia, thanx for the brief. Typical; politico lies in an attempt to get the government to burn and pillage. Where have I seen that before? :(

Given the possiblity that the local Redistribution Officer will come around to check on our supplies, what should we be doing to protect our stockpile? Having a sacrificial, small stockpile for public display seems good. But what do we do with the main cache? Bury it? Keep it at a second site? Hard to have a layered preparation without turning one's suburban domain into a "compound."
 
One thing to think about on the food is pricing. I love mac and cheese, and when I saw meijers unloading pokemon mac and cheese at about half price I bought a couple cases of it. I never made it back for more, but a really good sale grabs my attention even though I hate the thought of price checking things. Of course it has to be something I like and can sit on the shelf for a year if needed. Canned foods and jars meet this criteria.

As far as how to store the food, I have a food closet on the first floor. It can hold a lot now that I cleaned out the old cleaners and chemicals and junk. For the big stash, a room any where else in the house would be good. You work out of the little closet, but can fill it up as needed. Of course temperature swings, humidity, bugs and other things that ruin food need to be considered as well. My basement is currently full of spiders eating bugs. I have sprayed around the house to stop more from coming in, but a spider is an amazing bug trap. Of course I just do laundry and lift weights down there. No food.
 
Well it's good they keep supplies to help out with. I just wished they'd quit ringing my doorbell when I'm trying to sleep, or when I've got one of my guns completely apart and oil all over my hands. Very annoying.

You'd think after 20+ visits they'd realize I'm never going to join. Oh well *sigh*

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
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