Should Stockpilling Be Illegal?

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oberkommando

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Meant to post this a while back as I have heard the gov/media talk about disasters with the effect of saying that any "hoarding" will not be tolerated. Esp during y2k. No food beyond a few days.

I wondered what the rest of you thought.

IMO if you bought you gear and goods before a major CF then you should have the right to do with them as you see fit. If that means 100 dollars a gallon for water then so be it.
It sounds like the gov/media want to punish people that had the forethought to prepare for eventual hard times, "god forbid anyone think of such a thing!"
If anything ever happens and some wussy liberal wants anything from me he will hear a lecture in addition to paying as much as I can get outta him, whether it be money or his fist born daughter.

Didnt they ever read Asop.
 
When I was a pup we would get snowed in on occaision. I am never without at least 30 days of good food n water and can go for a lot longer than that if pressed.

Equiped to forage as necessary too.

They don't like it, tough. They gotta get by my watch skunk.

Sam..."Less government, more individual responsibility" JBS
 
Guess a lot of folks forgot the old tale of the ant and the grasshopper or the concept of saving for a rainy day, huh? No too much of a surprise considering Mr. Intern-hopper is running things and the pursuit of happiness has become a quest for immediate gratification.

IMNSHO, NOT stockpiling should be illegal. As long as it's done in a safe way I can't see any possible downside to the concept. 'course there is always that one goof-ball with a basement full of 5 gallon gas cans that makes the news as this weeks "fireball award".

I buy the way I am-bulky ;)
 
They want to make stockpiling illegal. They want to make price gouging illegal. The net result: guaranteed shortages in an actual emergency.
Who benefits from that?
Answer that question, and you know what the true motivation is for these laws.

TB., NC
 
I think they are trying to require dependence on the goverment instead of self reliance. Last year we had a hurricane come through and knock out the city water for a couple days in some areas. There were people who stood in line for hours waiting for free drinking water the state had shipped in, from hundreds of miles away, while across the street Walmart had water for sale for 79 cents a gallon. Sheeple?
 
My local gun shop has some MRE's for sale. They told me that this is a one-shot deal, since it is now illegal (via Klinton EO) for the MRE companies to sell MRE's to civilians. Part of the anti-stockpiling plan, to retain control of food by FEMA or other federal agents.

I hope Chelsea never has children. This is too stupid.
 
I take the view that I stockpile not only for my family but so I can assist others. Granted I don't have enough for the whole community, but I do have enough for my poor neighbor. For the past six months her husband has been in jail for DUI and she has three small kids. I won't watch kids go hungry because their parents are irresponsible fools.
If you are desperatly hungry I will give you some food and accept your labor or money in exchange for more. If you try to take my supplies by force you will encounter my 12ga.

I store soybeans, corn, and other grains to give away. The corn was free and the other stuff real cheap. I have been blesssed by God so that I can bless others. Remember the story of Joseph in Egypt?

On a slighty different note. Does home canning and freezing count as stockpiling? As a kid we were poor and grew almost everything we ate. In the fall we had enough food stored to last until summer. We always qulified for government assistance but didn't need or want it. If our food had ever been taken we would have not been able to buy more to replace it after the emergency.

Today I have a good job and more $ than I ever could have imagined, but I KNOW the wolf is still out there.
 
I see no problem with stockpilling as it just makes sense to me to be prepared in the event of a disaster.
Profiteering or price gouging are another matter. In times of emergency we must work together. I for one will not let a child go hungry as long as I have food. That fellow who wants $100 for a gallon of water will more likely end up with a $.50 bullet instead. And he deserves it too.

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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
 
That reminds me of a case when all the flooding was going on (1993?) when some people were selling drinking water to the victims for $4 a gallon, and some anti-capitalists thought this was wrong, and actually got the gov't to charge them with a crime of some sort (apparently, there is a law against "price-gouging" - I'd really like to see how it is worded). That's right - these people who were willing to WORK to provide a necessary commodity to sustain life for these victims, at a price that was reaonable (IMO) for the market conditions and the cost of lugging the water to the sites where it was needed, were charged criminally for doing so - it's absolutely outrageous. They could just have easily stayed home and let the victims die of thirst - what do they care? -entrepeneurs like that are going to make money one way or another - if not water, then something else. This is the twisted thinking of some people - they just don't think it through (about the costs of transporting the commodity, etc.), and they just plain don't understand supply and demand capitalism. In my view, a one-semester course in the capitalist system ought to be required of every high school student (enacted on a state-by-state basis) - the spring semester to complement this course would be a required course in basic LOGIC. That would do wonders for our freedoms and gov't, IMO.
 
Well, Then we got a clear case against the 'designer' bottled water companies, after all add up what they charge per gallon, and either they are breaking the law, or we can sell for that much if we want to and call it 'pre-incident nostalgic water'
 
Futu, in the future please refrain from using the "L" word (logic) and the word government in the same sentence. Doing so only serves to confuse the Hell out of every one.....especially those running the government. :p

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
Okay, here's the deal. I spent the latter half of 1998 and most of 1999 researching Y2K possibilities, alternative energy/water/food sources, stocking up for potential disruptions, and learning what the gubmint was doing. I learned some VERY interesting tidbits.

1) It's been "illegal" to hoard since WWII. (E.O.) The definition of hoarding is whatever the gubmint say it is, and can change.

2) The gubmint CAN seize everything you own during an emergency: your home, your car, your fuel, food, water. Everything.

3) It's imperative that you do NOT tell anyone that you have a stockpile. If TS really HTF, these people would become desperate.

It is not possible for the gov't to provide food, heat and shelter for 280 million people. Can't be done. So, these folks will be in the streets, looking for whatever they can find. If ANY of them were to know you had stuff, and if you had to turn them away as your supplies dwindled, they WOULD tell others about your cache.

These others would then band together and, by shear force of numbers, kill you, your family, and take your stuff. (At that point, of course, it wouldn't matter to you.) It is IMPERATIVE that anyone with a stockpile keep a VERY low profile. If you give anyone anything, you should say "I only have a tiny bit, but I'll share it with you".

The veneer of "civilzation" covering the beastial nature of most sheeple is VERY thin. Protect your family. They come first.

Points to ponder....
 
Thanks for the replys.

Grey, make sure you get some h2o stored I dont want to get shot over 1 gallon of water ;)I say if people are too stupid to plan ahead then they will pay one way or another.
Those movie theater food ventors better beware selling those cokes for $3.50. A 4-500% markup and there isnt even a shortage.

[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited September 04, 2000).]
 
Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What Dennis Olson said.

When I was a child, living in a tiny town in North Arkansas, we had a garden. My mother canned, as did many of the people in those rural areas at that time.

I'll never forget when WW II broke out and the govt imposed rationing, a man from some govt agency came to our home (and others), went down to our basement and counted all my mother's home canned goods. Later, when ration books arrived, the stamps were torn out in accordance with what my mother had previously canned. At that time, it was the patriotic thing to do.

Today, I will NEVER allow ANY govt teat sucking employee who swills at the public trough, to come into my house to "check for hoarded food." Period!!!!!!!!!

You can take that one to the bank! J.B.
 
I suppose this is more idle curiousity, as I am not a member of their faith, but doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment by making the tenants of the LDS church to maintain a one year supply of food in their homes? Don't the Amish have a similar requirement too? I suspect that there are many more religions with similar requirements as weel.

I believe in freedom of and from religion. What I'd like to know is where does the government get off passing rulings, EOs or laws that infringe on anyone's legal religious practices? (or good sense in the case of those of us who keep a supply for emergencies?)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Libertarian:
...What I'd like to know is where does the government get off passing rulings...[/quote]

I believe that would be "all over us", if your looking for an answer. :rolleyes:

They do it because we let them. Period.

TR
 
Interesting, another use for that strip on credit and debit cards, to know how much food you purchased. I personally try to keep extra around, but since I have been unemployed for a while, it has proven very useful to already have the food. Of course I am about to go back to work, so I guess food will be bought with cash, like everythig else.
 
"...LDS church to maintain a one year supply of food in their homes? Don't the Amish have a similar requirement too? I suspect that there are many more religions with similar requirements as weel."

I grew up Mennonite and live in a community with many Amish. I am rather familiar with thier beliefs and can tell you that they have no requirement to store food. They do it for several reasons frugality, quality, convenience, and tradition.
 
Libertarian brings up a good point. It is one of the basic tenants of the LDS church to try and maintain a one year supply of food, and a 72 emergency kit. It is all about being prepared. For natural disasters, economic depressions, unemployment, or what have you.

Would one year worth of canned beans and wheat count as hording? If so, then the religious freedoms of some 5 million U.S. Mormons just got infringed.

Not that some bureacrat at FEMA would care much.

The first time I heard about potential new stockpiling laws was in the aftermath of Waco. Heaven forbid you are able to stay in your compound that long when government agents are collecting overtime. ;)
 
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