Should President Bush be Impeached?

Should President Bush be Impeached?

  • Yes, He is guilty of ALL these things.

    Votes: 8 14.5%

  • Yes, but he is only guilty of one or some of these things. But that's still enough.

    Votes: 10 18.2%

  • No, He's remained within the boundaries of law, and is surely better than the alternative.

    Votes: 37 67.3%
  • Total voters
    55
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Just what I said. Should President Bush be Impeached for any, all, or none of these things?


Lied on Iraq to Congress, the Public, and the United Nations.
9-11 Cover-Up and Obstruction of Justice.
Violated Rights of Citizens including Habeas Corpus.
NSA Program to Listen to Citizens without Warrant.
Violated International Treaties Including Geneva Convention.
Actively Encouraged, as a Policy, Use of Torture.
Gross Negligence on Hurricane Katrina.
Iraq Contract Corruption--Bremer "Lost" $8 billion in cash, sole source awards, and gross negligence in managing the peace.


Should being guilty of even one of these things be worthy of impeachment? Or are all of these accusations trumped up partisan hoopla?
 
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Really? I thought that the idea of impeachment hasn't really reached obsession level yet. Or at least not in the last decade or so.
 
I don't know about all your rantings, but I'm pretty sure he's responsible for forgetting to take my trash out last night.
 
The thing is, it doesn't matter if he is impeached or not.

If he is, Cheney will take his place, and nothing will change.
 
Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Some of that list may, and I emphasize MAY, lie somewhere between "partisan hoopla" and "high crimes and misdemeanors". But it is highly doubtful that the Congress (the prosecutorial authority here) would see any or some or all of these as rising to that level.

Politicians screw up. Their administrators screw up. Sometimes they dissemble, tell partial truths, or plain old lie. But the standard of misbehavior required for an impeachment is a lot higher than that.

No, he's not impeachable. I don't think he's very bright, myself, and I don't think he has any sense when it comes to some of his appointees and Cabinet positions. But presidents get to make those appointments and stupid appointments are ALSO not an impeachable offense.

Springmom
 
Most of those things, YES he should be. I don't know about 911 coverup or or that "lied" about why to go to war with Iraq is accurate to say(but maybe he did). the least that can be said about Iraq is that almost none of the reasons for going in (nuclear weapons, al kaida terroist support) have shown to be accurate. Human rights violations by Saddam? Well, that is true, BUT that is not sufficient reason for the U.S. or any country (especially one half the planet away) to invade another and shape them into what we think they ought to be here and now. I would say the Iraq situation was more that he wanted to go to war with them and saw what he wanted to see (and still does) or he was just plain incompetent and had bad advisors (neo-cons who wanted a war too) EDIT: now that I think about it, he unconstitutionally declared war on Iraq. Only Congress has the power to do that. Liberals brought this up if I recall (but only because the situation suited them)

But the rest of that list I would say YES he is admittedly guilty of (and on a daily basis attempts to justify it).

The temptation is that "well they all do it." Unfortunately, from Lincoln to Wilson to FDR to LBJ to white trash Clinton they have all done these things. BUT that does not make it right or constitutional. YES, Bush should be impeached and convicted.

Back when he was governor of my home state of Texas, I actually liked Bush. When he first started running for President, I was glad. He has proven to be a great disappointment. A neoconservative idealogue, not a real conservative.:(


But it is highly doubtful that the Congress (the prosecutorial authority here) would see any or some or all of these as rising to that level.
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On that I agree springmom. I think that is part of the problem. Clinton should have been convicted after he was impeached. Conservatives from Rush to Sean Hannity were screaming that day in and day out back in the 90s. Liberals were making excuses and justifying it. (not to mention his Bombing Iraq and Kosivo etc.) Now it is the reverse, Bush can break the law and violate the constitution and we have liberals screaming for his head and the Rush limbaughs and Sean Hannitys making excuses. Fundamentally, the parties are no different to me anymore. And I say this as a former card carrying member of the Republican National Committee.
 
Hey, Bush did have a fantastic plan for Iraq. It went something like "I believe we will be greeted as liberators."

But then they bungled it all up by not doing that.
 
You forgot option #4:

I don't know because I'm ignorant as to the letter of the law.

Most people should be selecting that one, including myself.
 
I was thinking #4 should be

"No, I don't believe he should be Impeached and I hope there is a black suburban full of G-men ready and waiting to take you to Gitmo just for asking."
 
Yes he should

and I think it's ironic at least that of all the things George W. Is guilty for obviously, most Republicans will back him on. However a few years ago it was impeach Bill for all his wrongdoings (something that at least 1 of 5 men have contemplated in they're lives). At least Bill's mistake didn't get my brothers and cousins killed, THATS RIGHT IT IS TRUE.
 
Couldn't they both be impeached or by definition is impeachment something only applicable to a sitting president?
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That would leave the bumbling idiot Ted Stevens in charge. :eek:

As for them being impeached...sure. Impeachment doesn't mean removal from office, it means formal charged are brought against the person in question. I do believe that both Congress and the public was lied to as to the reasons behind the war and if there's enough evidence to put forth a trial it should be done.

If one President can be impeached for lying about getting a blowjob then certainly this one can be impeached for his actions.
 
impeach Bill for all his wrongdoings (something that at least 1 of 5 men have contemplated in they're lives)
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Perjury before a Federal grand jury and obstruction of justice?
 
Where's my Guiness??
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Brilliant!!

Lied on Iraq to Congress, the Public, and the United Nations. Is this based on all the intelligence the dem's also saw and said "YAH! Lets go get 'em!"

9-11 Cover-Up and Obstruction of Justice. Tinfoil hat time??

Violated Rights of Citizens including Habeas Corpus. When, where and how?

NSA Program to Listen to Citizens without Warrant. I'm POSITIVE they enjoy listening to me bawl out my subcontractors when they botch a job or don't make a scheduling date... Residential construction is such a top-level security risk.

Violated International Treaties Including Geneva Convention. Geneva convention? I think we were one of only a few who were following it anyway. It's also what says if I'm packing an AT-4 and someone is shooting at me, I can't return fire because an AT-4 is "anti armor/equipment"... I don't particularly give a damn about the geneva convention, I'm aiming at the guy's equipment (canteen) and I WILL blow him into next week. Have a convention about it if you like.

Actively Encouraged, as a Policy, Use of Torture. Give me an hour in a room with a terrorist and you can be sure I'd be encouraging a little torture too.

Gross Negligence on Hurricane Katrina. Uhm, the federal government can't just move in--federal aid has to be requested. The CITY and the STATE dropped the ball on that one. The feds were ready ahead of time, but hands were tied until the request was made. Lets not misplace blame.

Iraq Contract Corruption--Bremer "Lost" $8 billion in cash, sole source awards, and gross negligence in managing the peace. Show me one political office that doesn't subscribe to "The Good 'ol Boy Club". You'd think this was the first time favoritism was ever shown based on who you know in high places. And as for managing the peace? OK, lets see how all the armchair quarterbacks would manage peace. Surely there are fantastic solutions out there to go along with all the problems and finger-pointing.
 
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