Should Police be made to carry Revolvers, Semi-Automatics or Their Choice

[Harley Quinn]

Jim and I are of the same knowledge

One of the reasons that LAPD went for the Beretta 9mm. Trigger pull etc.

They are having troubles with the G21 and part of that problem is Politics, in my opinion.

The CHP seem to be happy with the 40 S&W good gun not the best trigger, but it has the forgiveness creep.

When practicing you are supposed to keep the finger off the trigger, in real situations that is a give away to the bad guy you are not serious. So they put the finger on the trigger. Simple!

Life and death situations are tough, not to want the edge. Contrary to what most of the people in the world want, the police are not willing to just be targets.

The amount of police shootings vs gang shooting's or civilian shootings, is nil on the police side. Yet they are subjected to the harshest of conditions.

It's not hollywood guy's, most of these "coppers" want to go home to the family.

The fact that the majority of you feel that police should pick what they want, show's me to much TV and not enough real life situations.

HQ

 

[Handy]

Could you translate that? There are so many fragments that I can't understand what you are saying about Berettas or some other things. Thanks.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Sorry I understand it.

Take jimpeels comments and then it is cystal.
IMO...

The Beretta is a double action first shot, then it is single action. It replaced the 38 spl. S&W double action only, gun was a denutted 4" to shoot DA only.

The Glock is not a good replacement in my opinion, for most officers it is an accident looking to happen. I think the new XD with the grip safety is a good one but it will take time to catch on.

S&W 40 double action first round, forgivness creep, that Jim was talking about.

Hope that helps.

HQ

 

[Handy]

It would make sense if the Beretta was a DAO like the revolver it replaces, since the incident you site came from a cocked weapon, like every DA/SA auto ends up after the first shot.



Otherwise, I agree with the part about stress resistant triggers. But Jim's conclusion that revolvers therefore make good police weapons doesn't follow from that.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

The Washington DC PD switched to Glocks and had a sudden rise in NDs. The gun, you say. The analyses of the situation also pointed out that because of political pressure, the department took in a scad of underqualified individuals and had very poor firearms training.

The conclusion was that gun type covaried with the hiring and training.

In the accident prevention literature there is a principle that training per se may not totally fix a solution and design of equipment is important also but before one totally blames the gun - think about the department.

If I also recall, new LAPD training methods have dramatically increased their handgun performance with their current guns.

 

[jimpeel]

Handy

How do you figure that a reduction to 8 and slower reloads is not "an issue"?

You apparently are unfamiliar with these:

Jerry Miculek shooting DA eight rounds in one second on one target; eight rounds on four targets in 1.06 seconds; and six rounds, a reload, and six rounds in 2.99 seconds. Jerry is world renouned as the fastest and most accurate revolver shooter in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro62xajzH8w&search=fastest gun

Another shooter shooting SA five targets in .88 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJgAeJxbXg&search=gun

 

[jimpeel]

Handy

It would make sense if the Beretta was a DAO like the revolver it replaces, since the incident you site came from a cocked weapon, like every DA/SA auto ends up after the first shot.

First of all, the revolver it replaced was a DA/SA but the officers were disallowed from cocking the weapon when training a firearm on a suspect. The trigger creep on SA is a tenth of that in DA.

Second of all, you are correct that a DA/SA auto is in SA after the first shot; but if it is then the first shot has been fired and it simply doesn't matter how the second shot is fired.

If you have somehow managed to creep the trigger a half inch excursion, and have accidentally shot a suspect, then there is no issue as to whether you are going to accidentally shoot him again; because if you do it is no accident.

But Jim's conclusion that revolvers therefore make good police weapons doesn't follow from that.

I've never seen a revolver fail to cycle due to "limp wristing" or suffer a "stovepipe" jam.

 

[jimpeel]

Handy

How do you figure that a reduction to 8 and slower reloads is not "an issue"?

You apparently are unfamiliar with these:

Jerry Miculek shooting DA eight rounds in one second on one target; eight rounds on four targets in 1.06 seconds; and six rounds, a reload, and six rounds in 2.99 seconds. Jerry is world renouned as the fastest and most accurate revolver shooter in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro62xajzH8w&search=fastest gun

Another shooter shooting SA five targets in .88 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gJgAeJxbXg&search=gun

 

[Harley Quinn]

Training is the big issue

Pistols are expensive and so is ammo and taking the time to train them, then the additional training that goes on for as long as the person is an LEO.

Money is a big motivator. Budgets get cut. Training gets cut, some departments have multiple shooting's on a daily basis, some never have them.

Big inner city depts need better training, more contact with people, more likly to make contact with BG's and have shootings.

DA is good, but Da on the first round is good also. I believe if I have my choice for a weapon based on my background I would go for a nice DA/SA

I sometimes shoot a Berreta 9 look a like by Taurus, nothing but good things to say about that gun. LAPD issue is the Berreta, but they now have many you can choose.
None are revolvers for primary carry.

My favorites are a pair of glocks one in 9 and the other in 40.
HQ