Should military leadership be held responsible for warcrimes?
- Thread starter NedreckSavant
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Commander in chief
The Prez is the commander over the Military. If his orders are criminal, it is the sworn duty of the Generals and on down to bring this to light. That is hard to do because of the peer pressure in the military. If that fails, it is the sworn duty for the Congress to look into it. This hard to do because of the peer pressure there. So they all can become accessories to the crime. If that fails, is the peoples duty. Here we have the same peer pressure but we are still the people, and good people outnumber the bad, we hope. But if the good should people fail.... it's our own fault.
The Prez is the commander over the Military. If his orders are criminal, it is the sworn duty of the Generals and on down to bring this to light. That is hard to do because of the peer pressure in the military. If that fails, it is the sworn duty for the Congress to look into it. This hard to do because of the peer pressure there. So they all can become accessories to the crime. If that fails, is the peoples duty. Here we have the same peer pressure but we are still the people, and good people outnumber the bad, we hope. But if the good should people fail.... it's our own fault.
Ben Swenson
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Very glad you made it back, Mike. I'm very sorry to hear about your injuries and wish you the best.
Mike, Ditto what the others said. Navy Doc, welcome aboard, and thanks to both of you. Its funny how the anti war crowd always follows the same pattern. Start out saying "I support the troops,but not the war" Then when that tact doesnt whip up all the anti war sentiment they hoped for, they turn on the troops. We saw this with Vietnam and they slowly evolved to "all the troops are baby killers, and deserve what they get". We are seeing the same thing now. All I can say is God help the first bastard I see spit on a soldier in my presence. Thats something I think most folks my age are not prepared to tolerate. We watched the last generation destroy the men who served in Vietnam, We should not let it happen again. ERIC.
P.S. What happened to Ned? He stopped posting here. HUH Go figure.
P.S. What happened to Ned? He stopped posting here. HUH Go figure.
"While this doesn't prove much"
That's true, and yet you use those very few "I-heard-about" examples to construct a series of questions about indicting everybody from the President on down for war crimes.
"If someone finds fault with my premise that they have become the norm, by all means...call me on it."
No sir, the burden is on you as the topic starter. What you're saying is similar to stating that there are UFOs and then demanding...call me on it and disprove it.
Nice try on dragging the bait through the water.
John
That's true, and yet you use those very few "I-heard-about" examples to construct a series of questions about indicting everybody from the President on down for war crimes.
"If someone finds fault with my premise that they have become the norm, by all means...call me on it."
No sir, the burden is on you as the topic starter. What you're saying is similar to stating that there are UFOs and then demanding...call me on it and disprove it.
Nice try on dragging the bait through the water.
John
Mister_Dinky
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"a situation in Iraq in which war crimes are the norm "
They are not the norm.
ESAD
They are not the norm.
ESAD
Blackwater OPS
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Hey, I will be the first one to call the President an idiot, and I have served and I ignore my leftward minded professors, and I am only 22. Hell, I even met the guy personally and I like him, just not as a President. That does not mean I would blame him for a supposed wave of war crimes occuring in Iraq, particularly when such a thing is not occuring.
What does this have to do with guns again?
What does this have to do with guns again?
Command Responsibility For War Crimes
A commander is not strictly liable for all offenses committed by subordinates.
The commander?s personal dereliction must have contributed to or failed to
prevent the offense. Japanese Army General Tomoyuki Yama****a was
convicted and sentenced to hang for war crimes committed by his soldiers in the Philippines. Although there was no evidence of his direct participation in the crimes, the Military Tribunal determined that the violations were so widespread in terms of time and area, that the General either must have secretly ordered their commission or failed in his duty to discover and control them.
Most commentators have concluded that Yama****a stands for the proposition that where a commander knows or should have known that his subordinates were involved in war crimes, the commander may be liable if he or she did not take reasonable and necessary action to prevent the crimes.
U.S. v. LtGen. Tomoyuki Yama****a
Military Commission Appointed by Paragraph 24 , Special Orders 110
Headquarters United States Army Forces Western Pacific, 1 Oct. 1945.
William H. Parks
Command Responsibility For War Crimes 62 MIL L. REV. 1 (1973).
“The soldier, be he friend or foe, is charged with the protection of the weak and unarmed. It is the very essence and reason of his being. When he violates this sacred trust, he not only profanes his entire cult but threatens the fabric of international society.” - General of the Army Douglas MacArthur
A commander is not strictly liable for all offenses committed by subordinates.
The commander?s personal dereliction must have contributed to or failed to
prevent the offense. Japanese Army General Tomoyuki Yama****a was
convicted and sentenced to hang for war crimes committed by his soldiers in the Philippines. Although there was no evidence of his direct participation in the crimes, the Military Tribunal determined that the violations were so widespread in terms of time and area, that the General either must have secretly ordered their commission or failed in his duty to discover and control them.
Most commentators have concluded that Yama****a stands for the proposition that where a commander knows or should have known that his subordinates were involved in war crimes, the commander may be liable if he or she did not take reasonable and necessary action to prevent the crimes.
U.S. v. LtGen. Tomoyuki Yama****a
Military Commission Appointed by Paragraph 24 , Special Orders 110
Headquarters United States Army Forces Western Pacific, 1 Oct. 1945.
William H. Parks
Command Responsibility For War Crimes 62 MIL L. REV. 1 (1973).
“The soldier, be he friend or foe, is charged with the protection of the weak and unarmed. It is the very essence and reason of his being. When he violates this sacred trust, he not only profanes his entire cult but threatens the fabric of international society.” - General of the Army Douglas MacArthur
Blackwater OPS
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This from the guy who led a march on peaceful unarmed US veterans(many disabled), women and young children, with tanks, sabers, rifles, tear gas and flamethrowers, shooting vets and gassing infants to death.
:barf:Blackwater OPS
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22 with 2 combat patches, I should add.
spacemanspiff
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come round full circle
i thought the name i saw looked familiar. guess who else is using dahr jamails 'dispatches' to further their agenda?
the alaska based communist group that calls themselves 'Alaskans for Peace and Justice'. http://www.alaskans4peace.org/
and while you're at it, heres some more: http://www.insurgent49.com/button_dispatches.html
i thought the name i saw looked familiar. guess who else is using dahr jamails 'dispatches' to further their agenda?
the alaska based communist group that calls themselves 'Alaskans for Peace and Justice'. http://www.alaskans4peace.org/
and while you're at it, heres some more: http://www.insurgent49.com/button_dispatches.html
Blackwater OPS,
First, thank you for your service to OUR nation. It is young men like you who do the "in the trenches" fighting that is necessary for victory.
You have done well.
However, in spite of that, you are still only 22. That is an age of physical strength, stamina, and prowess. But it is an age of immaturity overall.
A 22 year old might be very intelligent, and mature for his age. But maturity and wisdom only come by walking the hills and valleys of life. There is no shortcut. It just take time. You have not had time to walk that distance through life yet.
You have never had the long term responsibility of raising a family, managing finances for all the necessities of the family, and schooling for the childrren. You may have started a family, but you have a long way to go.
You have never been the governor of one of the largest states, and you have never had the weight of the nation on your shoulders for almost 6 years. You have never had to make decisions about the security of the nation, and its domestic health. You have not agonized over the death of our military people, or made the trade-offs between that and other 9/11s.
No he is not perfect, but is one of the better presidents in my lifetime.
So to say that the President is an idiot indicates immaturity at your age. In 10 years such a statement indicates stupity.
When you have graduated from the school he did, and learned to fly and be qualified on a fighter jet, then you might have some idea as to whether he is an idiot of not. If you get elected to high offices and carry the burden of many people then you might have a better idea.
Whatever he is, and whether one agrees with him, he is not an idiot. I'm not so sure about those who call him such.
Have a good day.
Jerry
First, thank you for your service to OUR nation. It is young men like you who do the "in the trenches" fighting that is necessary for victory.
You have done well.
However, in spite of that, you are still only 22. That is an age of physical strength, stamina, and prowess. But it is an age of immaturity overall.
A 22 year old might be very intelligent, and mature for his age. But maturity and wisdom only come by walking the hills and valleys of life. There is no shortcut. It just take time. You have not had time to walk that distance through life yet.
You have never had the long term responsibility of raising a family, managing finances for all the necessities of the family, and schooling for the childrren. You may have started a family, but you have a long way to go.
You have never been the governor of one of the largest states, and you have never had the weight of the nation on your shoulders for almost 6 years. You have never had to make decisions about the security of the nation, and its domestic health. You have not agonized over the death of our military people, or made the trade-offs between that and other 9/11s.
No he is not perfect, but is one of the better presidents in my lifetime.
So to say that the President is an idiot indicates immaturity at your age. In 10 years such a statement indicates stupity.
When you have graduated from the school he did, and learned to fly and be qualified on a fighter jet, then you might have some idea as to whether he is an idiot of not. If you get elected to high offices and carry the burden of many people then you might have a better idea.
Whatever he is, and whether one agrees with him, he is not an idiot. I'm not so sure about those who call him such.
Have a good day.
Jerry