Should I join the NRA?

Should I join the NRA

  • Yes.

    Votes: 64 83.1%
  • No.

    Votes: 13 16.9%

  • Total voters
    77
Yes by all means join. The NRA is our biggest voice.

But

Don't do it for the dufflel bag, I am longtime member and probably will be for life although I am not a life member. They have never I repeat never ever sent me any of the junk in their one or three year offers, not even the hat.
 
second am,
So what do you recommend and do to preserve our Second Amendment rights?
Do you think the current NRA would make those same mistakes?

I believe the NRA has learned from those mistakes and will not make them again.
Can you provide something more recent to say otherwise?
 
Here you go second am, I've looked up some basic history for you. There is much more available on Senator Dodd and the politics of the time surrounding GCA-68.

"Even the NRA gave its blessing to GCA '68, fearing that resistance to Sen. Dodd's legislation would only bring on more draconian measures. Who could not be shocked by the assassination of two very prominent public figures, such as Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr., in the same year? With a nod from the NRA, even pro Second Amendment senators and congressmen had no reason to fear for their incumbency, and threw their support behind Dodd's bill." - R. Mermelstein, Gun Owners Alliance site

That was the goal of many at the time - more draconian gun restrictions.

Here's the bottom line, Senators Dodd and Kennedy and many others wanted complete registration of all firearms and the end of ownership of handguns.

This isn't secret information.
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Now, what's the difference between the old NRA and the new NRA?

1958 - NRA moves to new headquarters, large sign on facade spells out primary objectives:

Firearms Safety Education
Marksmanship Training
Shooting for Recreation

1963 - President John Kennedy assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, using rifle purchased by mail order from ad in NRA magazine.

1968 General Franklin Orth, Executive Vice President of NRA, testifies before Congress in favor of the Gun Control Act (GCA'68) that "[NRA does] not think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States," (a ban on the mail-order sale of firearms). His statement of NRA support generates heated opposition from the (presumably insane) portion of the NRA membership, creating split between "sportsmen" and "hardliners."

1975 - NRA lobbying authority given to quasi-independent Institute for Legislative Action, run by hardliner Harlan Carter, who informs Congress that allowing "convicted felons, the mentally deranged and narcotics addicts" to own guns rather than place restrictions on their purchase is "a price we pay for freedom."
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In conclusion, to keep this relatively short, "the NRA" has evolved over its
136 years of history and its mission has grown from training riflemen to an active focus on lobbying.

In conclusion, Part II, make no mistake, 1968 would have brought us draconian gun laws if the gun control faction had gotten what they wanted.

John
 
second am
Wow. I never expected to see a post where someone didn't know what "Vermont/Alaska carry" was.
I apologize for making such a post... I have no excuse... except to say that I get my "gun info" primarily from TFL and far too often I find that the members assume we all know what's what...

I don't.

I did actually hear that "selective-restrictive" thing, and I'm wondering if it was some other state... I often get the geography of the northeastern states mixed up... could it be New Hampshire I was thinking of? Do you know?

I'm also glad to hear that Alaska's "free carry" has not been tampered with... :D

I really liked the links. Thank you for the edification...
and thanks especially for the gentlemanly manner in which you proffered it... :)

johnbt
"Even the NRA gave its blessing to GCA '68, fearing that resistance to Sen. Dodd's legislation would only bring on more draconian measures.
Thank you for this quote... It makes sense that the NRA made at least some effort to protect their own interests...

Who's to say what kind of a fight they put up behind the scenes and out of the public eye.

It is simply logical!

It's just too bad so many people are far too ready to assume the worst rather than give credit for the attempt to do well... I think that's a big part of the world's problems... and America's liberal media...
 
You're welcome. Here's one short version on some of the history.

President Johnson was a Democrat and had pushed gun control bills year after year. Then he started pushing harder. John

"With the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy on June 5, 1968, the groundswell of support for tough gun control laws reached unprecedented levels. On June 6, the day after the Kennedy assassination, Johnson signed the Safe Streets and Crime Control Act[established the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA)], but lamented the law's weak provisions.

President Johnson, who had proposed gun control measures every year since becoming president, appeared on national television imploring Congress to pass a new and tougher gun control law that banned mail-order and out-of-state sales of long guns and ammunition. Reading a letter he sent to Congress, Johnson pleaded to Congress "in the name of sanity... in the name of safety and in the name of an aroused nation to give America the gun-control law it needs."

On June 24, President Johnson again addressed the country, calling for mandatory national gun registration and licenses for every gun owner.

Around this time, polls showed that approximately 80 percent of Americans favored gun registration laws. The public flooded members of Congress with letters demanding greater regulation of guns. Protestors picketed the Washington headquarters of the NRA. Even many members of Congress who had been staunch adversaries of strict firearms regulation crossed over to the other side and rallied in favor of a tough gun control bill."
 
By all means join the NRA, GOA or some Firearm Organization. Pay little attention to the bitchers that continually blaspheme either or both. By joining you use the tools to get the job done in fighting the anti-gun nuts. If no organization supported we gun owners, where would we be?
 
I'm a NRA Life Member. The NRA is the 800-pound gorilla defending many of our gun rights.

Join the NRA if you have money left over in that portion of your budget after you join GOA.

Though smaller, GOA has a higher standard for gun rights. I share their sentiments exactly.

I am also disappointed in the sham run by the NRA leadership when it re-elects itself every year. After watching the dirty tricks several years ago when there threatened to be a REAL contest for board positions, I lost a lot of faith in NRA management.
 
The NFA of 1934 was an act of taxation. It was a power given to the Congress by the Constitution. Nothing really controversial at that time.

In 1943, the Courts began to shift: “The power to tax the exercise of a privilege is the power to control or suppress its enjoyment... A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution.” Murdock v. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 262.

That and subsequent rulings pretty much killed taxation of a right. It ended with the passage of the 24th amendment, which did away with poll taxes.

The paradox, is that at the State level, no taxation of a right is allowed. Yet at the Federal level, we still have certain taxes that are applied to certain rights. So far, the Courts have upheld these taxes. And make no mistake, the NFA is a tax.

(This is another plug for a SCOTUS ruling in favor of Parker v. D.C. Because if the SCOTUS rules in the affirmative, the NFA can then be attacked as a taxation upon a fundamental right.)

Do you think that the NRA hasn't thought of this? Or the anti-gunners?

The NFA and Title 18 §922(o) USC (1986 machine gun ban) cannot begin to be attacked until the 2A is declared a fundamental right.

Which brings us back to the NRA's involvement back in 1933. You want to chastize an organization that helped put together a tax law, when it was undisputed that the Federal Government had such a right?

second am, you really should learn your history. Right or wrong, at that time, it was an undisputed concept. You also need to understand what the taxation was for. How were figures like Al Copone nailed? Tax Evasion. Not for all the crimes he committed or caused to be committed, but tax evasion.

In helping to craft the 1934 NFA, the NRA was asked by certain congressmen to report on their success in Chicago. There, they had helped to craft a tax law that put several gangsters into the slammer.

Congress people then, like now, were totally out of touch with the ordinary and common man in America. They really had no idea how many machine guns and other NFA type weapons were owned by civilians. This rest is history, as they say.

You should also remember that the 1939 Miller Court never ruled, one way or another, that the 2A was an individual right. They sidestepped the issue entirely.

The GCA of 1968 was the NRA's first real attempt to influence the legislative process. It was a success, only in that some of the most draconian aspects of the GCA were withdrawn. Such things as forbidding firearms ownership by convicted criminals and the mentally ill (prohibited persons), were not and have not been opposed by the National Rifle Association.

As for the FOPA banning further civilian ownership of post '86 weapons, it was a floor amendment, where time had run out for debate. It passed by voice vote only. It should be noted that the House Chair upon making the proclamation that the amendment "was agreed to," refused to hear other members calling for a recorded vote.

Read David Hardy's excellent paper on the FOPA here. Complete with hyperlinked annotations.

Suffice it to say that the NRA had no hand in the creation of §922(o). Sen Hatch tried to get this removed, when the bill reached the Senate, but failed.

I could go on and on. Most of the "evil" that people say the NRA has done, has been nothing more than learning to be politically savvy. That doesn't come overnight for an organization whose primary function and focus was to increase the marksmanship of the gun owning public.

V4? Join the ranks. Then if you have some money left over, join one of the other orgs that more fit your ideals. But simply to blast the NRA for whatever mistakes you might find, is to belittle the great service that has been rendered. We would be worse off without the NRA than with it.
 
The answer is yes, but don't let that be all you do get active in local, state, and nation debates. You have to stand up and be counted, not just a dues paying member. Get a CCW, join your state organization, write letter and emails to your elected officals, write letters to the editor about firearm rights and any laws that are up for passage. Remember" If it is to be it is up to me".
 
Oh the shame, I'm a supporter of an organization started by a bunch of Yankees. :)

"Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.
After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president."
 
Hey moose fat

I hate to contradict you...or perhaps we aren't talking about the same case..but according to two of the attorney's who filed the suit..the NRA specifically sought to undermine the case.

This was mentioned in detail (and quoted) in another TFL thread:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242383

Please review it...this 900 lb gorilla as it has been referred to tried to use it's weight to undermine this very important case.
 
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