Shotgun Stopping Power?
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cntryboy1289
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Thanks for the info Brobee
I appreciate the info brobee. Speaking from a medical standpoint, shock is what kills. Shock can come from blood loss or from the injury itself or from the initial energy wave of the projectile. This being said, rapid blood loss can and will cause shock by itself. When I say birdshot, I am referring to lead pellets which you reported as being ok on penetration and wound channel. It is the wound channel that causes the rapid blood loss. The pellet itself being driven into the body causes the energy wave. The energy wave from bird shot will be sufficient to cause shock. Even with all that being considered, I have seen the birdshot in action on a friend, and believe me, it is a viable defense load. My friend was shot in the upper arm from about 20 yds. It was shredded by the shot. The only thing that saved his life was that 2 of us were trained in first aid and we were only a few miles from town. The blood loss was tremendous. He went into shock in just a few seconds. Would he have been able to get up and continue the fight? In a simple answer, no. This was from a arm injury, not a vital area. The blood loss, no matter where it is from, will put an end to a fight.
I appreciate the info brobee. Speaking from a medical standpoint, shock is what kills. Shock can come from blood loss or from the injury itself or from the initial energy wave of the projectile. This being said, rapid blood loss can and will cause shock by itself. When I say birdshot, I am referring to lead pellets which you reported as being ok on penetration and wound channel. It is the wound channel that causes the rapid blood loss. The pellet itself being driven into the body causes the energy wave. The energy wave from bird shot will be sufficient to cause shock. Even with all that being considered, I have seen the birdshot in action on a friend, and believe me, it is a viable defense load. My friend was shot in the upper arm from about 20 yds. It was shredded by the shot. The only thing that saved his life was that 2 of us were trained in first aid and we were only a few miles from town. The blood loss was tremendous. He went into shock in just a few seconds. Would he have been able to get up and continue the fight? In a simple answer, no. This was from a arm injury, not a vital area. The blood loss, no matter where it is from, will put an end to a fight.
Any person that has a 12ga. with slugs and an assortment of other size shotshells is capable of stopping just about anything in north america if they do their part and are close enough. The new slugs are awesum, as far as balistics go but havent tried them, the last slugs i shot were the brenneke 3in golden, 8in group at 100yds, but boy did my shoulder hurt! The military uses them for room cleaning and they work, the MPs that were with us in Nam carried old stevens or savage pumps, with 18 or 20 in bbls.
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Just my two cents....ammunition is a important consideration for defense....and probably as important as anything else about the shotgun.
While a cop, I have seen two BIG muscular guys each take relatively close hits....both with 3" mag, one with number 6 shot and the other with BB.
One was a ambush intended to kill him, the other was a dispute over a woman..
One of the guys walked about 8 blocks to the hospital to get treated....holes all over and breathing problems, but nothing else to major.
The other hit with BB sat and talked with me waiting for the ambulance.....he had some nerve damage in his right arm...(didn't work to well) and was pretty pissed off, but not much fight left.
I am sure every hit yields something potentially different and OF COURSE, the ammo....had it been heavier shot, probably could have easily been fatal...
The point is, ammo selection is important......forget thinking just because it is a shotgun that it will stop someone in their tracks.... if the perp is not hit well, and or the shot is not the right stuff......don't ever assume the battle is over till the fat lady sings
or whatever or however you want to think about not making assumptions once a shot is fired....you may get a surprise.
Paul
Just my two cents....ammunition is a important consideration for defense....and probably as important as anything else about the shotgun.
While a cop, I have seen two BIG muscular guys each take relatively close hits....both with 3" mag, one with number 6 shot and the other with BB.
One was a ambush intended to kill him, the other was a dispute over a woman..
One of the guys walked about 8 blocks to the hospital to get treated....holes all over and breathing problems, but nothing else to major.
The other hit with BB sat and talked with me waiting for the ambulance.....he had some nerve damage in his right arm...(didn't work to well) and was pretty pissed off, but not much fight left.
I am sure every hit yields something potentially different and OF COURSE, the ammo....had it been heavier shot, probably could have easily been fatal...
The point is, ammo selection is important......forget thinking just because it is a shotgun that it will stop someone in their tracks.... if the perp is not hit well, and or the shot is not the right stuff......don't ever assume the battle is over till the fat lady sings
or whatever or however you want to think about not making assumptions once a shot is fired....you may get a surprise.Paul
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Just maybe this would yield the best stopping power. The one I saw that fired this stuff was recoiless, but there probably is a shoulder fired model.......used them for Africa back when in double rifles if my memory serves.
http://www.remington.com/ammo/industrial/ind_ammo.htm
Paul
Just maybe this would yield the best stopping power. The one I saw that fired this stuff was recoiless, but there probably is a shoulder fired model.......used them for Africa back when in double rifles if my memory serves.
http://www.remington.com/ammo/industrial/ind_ammo.htm
Paul