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Shotgun Slugs and Level III armor?
- Thread starter John 242
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No Name XII,
I think there is a chart on the side of my RCBS 10-10, but I was posting from memory. Should have gotten off my rear and checked it out. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
brokendreams,
There was a story on another forum about a LEO being shot in the back of his vest by a .22LR and being knocked to the ground. To me it seems this is more likely due to surprise and shock rather than the power of a 40 grain lead bullet. Possibly a psychological reaction?
Like you, I think it may be possible to return fire, after being hit by a slug.
By the way, what I mean by "taken out of the fight" is being rendered unable to return fire. Being knocked to the ground IMO does not necessarily mean you're unable to continue the fight. Massive trauma on the other hand may "take the fight" out of a person.
I want to thank everyone who has responded to this thread so far.
I appreciate it. Take care.
John
You didn't come across as a jerk, and thanks for taking the time to post.Not being a jerk, just telling you because I see it on my scale every time I load some up, but an ounce is around 437.5 grains if I remember correctly...
I think there is a chart on the side of my RCBS 10-10, but I was posting from memory. Should have gotten off my rear and checked it out. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
brokendreams,
I wouldn't count on it though. I've seen videos of men being shot over the heart with a IIIA vest on (with a .45 ACP) and they were out of the fight. A slug could only be worse.
That being said, I'd rather be out of the fight then dead, and I believe that being "out of the fight" is relative anyhow. If you get knocked to the ground, or cant find cover, or whatever it may be, I still believe it might be possible to return fire at least.
There was a story on another forum about a LEO being shot in the back of his vest by a .22LR and being knocked to the ground. To me it seems this is more likely due to surprise and shock rather than the power of a 40 grain lead bullet. Possibly a psychological reaction?
Like you, I think it may be possible to return fire, after being hit by a slug.
By the way, what I mean by "taken out of the fight" is being rendered unable to return fire. Being knocked to the ground IMO does not necessarily mean you're unable to continue the fight. Massive trauma on the other hand may "take the fight" out of a person.
I want to thank everyone who has responded to this thread so far.
I appreciate it. Take care.
John
wouldnt a magnum 2 3/4 slug actually penetrate any vest where the wearer wasnt wearing additonal ceramic trauma plates? Isnt level 3 only adequate for sub guns and high velocity pistol rounds? Even if for some odd reason it didnt go through...you would probably have enough internally injuries that would put you out or kill you.... I dunno..but I always thought that for sheer power the slug was number 1.
From the National Institute of Justice
Ballistic Resistance of Police Body Armor
NIJ Standard 0101.03
April 1987
2.5 Type III ( High-Powered Rifle)
This armor protects against 7.62 mm full metal jacketed bullets (U.S. military designation M80), with nominal masses of 9.7 g (150 gr) impacting at a velocity of 838 m (2750 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against threats such as 223 Remington (5.56 mm FMJ), 30 Carbine FMJ, and 12 gauge rifled slug, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.4.
http://www.justnet.org/txtfiles/BodyArmorStd/NIJSTD010103.html#forward
Ballistic Resistance of Police Body Armor
NIJ Standard 0101.03
April 1987
2.5 Type III ( High-Powered Rifle)
This armor protects against 7.62 mm full metal jacketed bullets (U.S. military designation M80), with nominal masses of 9.7 g (150 gr) impacting at a velocity of 838 m (2750 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against threats such as 223 Remington (5.56 mm FMJ), 30 Carbine FMJ, and 12 gauge rifled slug, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.4.
http://www.justnet.org/txtfiles/BodyArmorStd/NIJSTD010103.html#forward
And;
2.4 Type III-A (44 Magnum; Submachine Gun 9 mm)
This armor protects against 44 Magnum, lead semi-wadcutter bullets with gas checks, nominal masses of 15.55 g (240 gr) and impacting at a velocity of 426 m (1400 ft) per second or less, and 9 mm full metal jacketed bullets, with nominal masses of 8.0 g (124 gr) impacting at a velocity of 426 m (1400 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against most handgun threats, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.3
Take care,
John
2.4 Type III-A (44 Magnum; Submachine Gun 9 mm)
This armor protects against 44 Magnum, lead semi-wadcutter bullets with gas checks, nominal masses of 15.55 g (240 gr) and impacting at a velocity of 426 m (1400 ft) per second or less, and 9 mm full metal jacketed bullets, with nominal masses of 8.0 g (124 gr) impacting at a velocity of 426 m (1400 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against most handgun threats, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.3
Take care,
John
Blackwater OPS
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Lvl III(3) IS a ceramic plate(or other hard armor) There is no soft Lvl III armor. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that, I have seen stranger things out there.
Lvl III(3) IS a ceramic plate(or other hard armor) There is no soft Lvl III armor. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that, I have seen stranger things out there.
3-A= 30 layers kevlar
3 is ceramic plates. I thought it was basically 3a with a plate holder in front and back which turned it into level 3? With level 4 being the highest.
I dunno...who would really want to be shot with a 12gauge slug even with ceramic plates..it might not go through the plates...but you gonna have any inards left?
3 is ceramic plates. I thought it was basically 3a with a plate holder in front and back which turned it into level 3? With level 4 being the highest.
I dunno...who would really want to be shot with a 12gauge slug even with ceramic plates..it might not go through the plates...but you gonna have any inards left?
Lycanthrope
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Level three will take a .308 round. It will stop a 12 gauge slug.
When you deal with ceramic plates, energy is dispersed when the plate breaks. The user doesn't absorb the full impact.
There are people who actually take rounds in the chest and return fire. Don't expect any hand held round to stop someone 100% of the time.
When you deal with ceramic plates, energy is dispersed when the plate breaks. The user doesn't absorb the full impact.
There are people who actually take rounds in the chest and return fire. Don't expect any hand held round to stop someone 100% of the time.
My Interceptor Body armor says it will stop 9mm SMG rounds on the lable.
My strike plate says it will stop 7.62 (M80) Ball on the front.
I am going to assume that my vest without plates is a Level III A. The strike plate would raise the level to Level III. Unfortunately, that level III protection would only be where the plate physically covers (duh). In other words, the sides would still be level IIIA Correct me if I am wrong?
My strike plate says it will stop 7.62 (M80) Ball on the front.
I am going to assume that my vest without plates is a Level III A. The strike plate would raise the level to Level III. Unfortunately, that level III protection would only be where the plate physically covers (duh). In other words, the sides would still be level IIIA Correct me if I am wrong?
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Heres some more info on armor levels from NIJlawman.com;
http://www.njlawman.com/Feature%20Pieces/Body%20Armor.htm
http://www.njlawman.com/Feature%20Pieces/Body%20Armor.htm
roberts_usmc
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I'll just throw into the discussion that a SAPI plate will stop a few 7.62x39 balls.