shorten and rduce G17 grip questions

[TunnelRat]

Miculek has sponsors paying for 100,000 rounds a year. I fire 1% of that centerfire and maybe 2-3% 22lr in a very good year.

If you're only shooting 1000 rds of centerfire a year, I'd argue you should save money on guns and do more shooting.

Plenty of other people have decided this modification is worth their while.

Plenty of people do plenty of things. It doesn't mean you should always emulate them. The effectiveness of doing the long slide on the short grip seems more anecdotal than anything else. Slow fire on a static range at a nice bullseye target at 25 yards and I imagine you might well notice the difference. At the ranges typical in a defensive shooting? I'd be pretty surprised. Rules of 3s is 3 shots at 3 yards in 3 seconds. You don't need a G17 slide to do that. If anything it might be a little slower getting on target. But if you want to do it it's your coin. I think you have your answer as to which is the cheaper route.

 

[johnwilliamson062]

More an issue of finding 3+ hour blocks of time to get to the range than money for ammo. The marginal benefit of shooting after about 100 rounds on any single trips seems to drop pretty quickly for me. Most of that 1000 rounds is out of my carry gun and most of the rimfire is also running pertinent drills. That puts me way way ahead of most police, military, and other civilians. There were times in the past I trained considerably more. I'm sure I wouldn't win a local IDPA or 3-gun match, but I feel pretty comfortable with my current 3X3X3 skill level.

None of that is relevant. The 17-26 grip has a 20% longer sight radius than the G26. More than an inch. In the "usual" CCW scenario that might not get me much, but not all scenarios are covered by the usual, and I do use my Glock for things other than CCW.

 

[TunnelRat]

That puts me way way ahead of most police, military, and other civilians.

Other people not training enough is not a good comparison. I also know people in all of those fields you mentioned that train way more than that. It depends on how serious about shooting the individual is.

None of that is relevant.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I think more training/shooting would likely have a greater impact than an extra inch of sight radius. I didn't say you needed to be an IDPA Master. Just sometimes it's convenient to look for hardware solutions to software problems. I've done it myself.

The 17-26 grip has a 20% longer sight radius than the G26. More than an inch. In the "usual" CCW scenario that might not get me much, but not all scenarios are covered by the usual, and I do use my Glock for things other than CCW.

Like I said, if you're doing bullseye shooting you'll appreciate the added sight radius. I've shot Glock 17s next to my Glock 19/26. I really didn't notice that much of a benefit in accuracy at 25 yds. It helps a little bit, but I liked the quickness of transitioning the shorter barrel too. As for what is or isn't "usual", if you find yourself taking shots at greater than 25 yds in a self defense situation, it could be a tricky day in court arguing those were necessary shots. Course you might say what about a mass shooter, and in that case I'd argue having more capacity to begin with (use a G19 frame or so as the base). I'm not sitting here advocating you replace a Glock 17 with a pocket pistol. I'm debating how much of an impact sight radius makes practically. And even then, there are plenty of folks that aren't even Miculek that can shoot shorter barreled pistols just fine at range. Often the challenge with small pistols is less to do with the sight radius and more the harshness of the recoil in so small a frame. Luckily the G26 is pretty good in that department.

As I said before, in the end it's your money. You don't need to convince me or anyone else here other than yourself. I'm just making points that I feel are relevant.

 

[JDBerg]

If you're only shooting 1000 rds of centerfire a year, I'd argue you should save money on guns and do more shooting.

Thank You, T-Rat! There is no substitute for training and dry / live fire practice, and good shooting fundamentals. I am very hesitant about making permanent changes to any of my guns, since you're stuck with the results if you decide you don't like the modifications. A G-17 with a G-26 grip chop is tough to sell off if you decide you don't like it!

 

[TunnelRat]

Thank You, T-Rat! There is no substitute for training and dry / live fire practice, and good shooting fundamentals. I am very hesitant about making permanent changes to any of my guns, since you're stuck with the results if you decide you don't like the modifications. A G-17 with a G-26 grip chop is tough to sell off if you decide you don't like it!

You have to find the right buyer that wants the same modifications. It does make it a little trickier. On the other side if you do find that one buyer he/she will usually pay a fair amount to save himself/herself the work. I ran into the same issue with a HK P2000 I had coated and stippled.

 

[johnwilliamson062]

On the monetary loss:
The G17 trade-in will be $375 shipped to cold bore. $235 worth of dremel work is what I'm considering. Chop grip to length, reduce grip hump, texture entire grip, contour grip behind trigger to provide additional clearance for trigger finger. Additional $15 when I pick-up from my FFL.
That puts me at $610.
I don't think I will have much problem selling it on armslist for $450 on armslist. Maybe $475. I'll eat $135 to $160 if it doesn't work out. If I'm patient probably less.

Three trips to the plasma center... Where I can continue to work on my lap-top as they drain me.

May have to buy new springs also.

 

[TunnelRat]

Yea if you like the work it really doesn't matter if you take a hit. I didn't even take a big hit, just took some time to move it. It was worth it to just play around with the customization options out there and realize what was/wan't worth doing again in the future. Pretty amazing the quality of work some smallish outfits all over the country are putting out.