I think people are wise to practice point shooting in case it has to be used. There is a certain level of planning in that statement, yes - there is a certain amount of planning in practicing any skill. Unless my reading comprehension has taken a serious dive in the last day or so, I don't see where anyone has said that point shooting should be the only way they shoot, only that it should be included in the skill set. I don't see how that is so hard to understand or a cause for argument.
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Do not get your training from an Internet video.
"...hip high, waist high..." That is pure Hollywood.
"...strong hand, weak hand..." Is pure shooting games with some Hollywood thrown in.
Point shooting is about looking at the target over the sights. It's very similar to pointing a shotgun. It requires a great deal of concentration to do well. It is not done to try and hit bullseyes or even the black(especially on a bullseye round target) though. It's about hitting the target anywhere.
"...the combat fairy does not exist..." Do too. We call 'em mosquitoes though. Those moose in Northern Ontario are not flying. They're being carried further into the swamps by mosquitoes and black flies. snicker.
"...hip high, waist high..." That is pure Hollywood.
"...strong hand, weak hand..." Is pure shooting games with some Hollywood thrown in.
Point shooting is about looking at the target over the sights. It's very similar to pointing a shotgun. It requires a great deal of concentration to do well. It is not done to try and hit bullseyes or even the black(especially on a bullseye round target) though. It's about hitting the target anywhere.
"...the combat fairy does not exist..." Do too. We call 'em mosquitoes though. Those moose in Northern Ontario are not flying. They're being carried further into the swamps by mosquitoes and black flies. snicker.
There are documented cases of people having to shoot from retention positions as well as needing to use the weak hand in the event of injury.
I've noticed in the past a tendency on your part to label just about anything you don't agree with as Hollywood, games, etc, whether it's carrying a spare magazine or here less than ideal shooting positions. Do these appear in entertainment media? Absolutely. Does that mean their realm of use is solely that domain? No, and there are reasons why many reputable trainers with law enforcement or military experience have taught them for decades, often since before they became popular for TV/movies.
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I've noticed in the past a tendency on your part to label just about anything you don't agree with as Hollywood, games, etc, whether it's carrying a spare magazine or here less than ideal shooting positions. Do these appear in entertainment media? Absolutely. Does that mean their realm of use is solely that domain? No, and there are reasons why many reputable trainers with law enforcement or military experience have taught them for decades, often since before they became popular for TV/movies.
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Cheapshooter
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Give an example of a situation where you will have time to assume a proper stance, secure a proper grip, and obtain a proper sight picture. Especially considering your attacker will most likely be a few feet, not yards away. He will be hitting, bludgeoning, stabbing, slashing, or shooting. With proper "trainng" and form not existing anywhere in his uniserse.
I am edumacated in various shooting disciplines. You need to know what works when and how to apply it. You do not have time to miss. Use whatever tactic or skill set that allows you to be victorious and go home whether it is FSP or point shooting.
Combat fairy? We call him Murphy.
My preferred method would be to put 2-3 hits on target and take cover letting nature take its course.
Combat fairy? We call him Murphy.
My preferred method would be to put 2-3 hits on target and take cover letting nature take its course.
Most of the time if you do not miss all the danger cues and recognize them for what they are.
That is why many of us believe self defense is not just about sticking a mouse gun in your pocket. It is a wholistic approach of unarmed and armed combative's, physical fitness, mind set and commitment.
Says who? Master your gun, carry enough gun, carry spare ammo, carry a CAT, know first aid. Get quality training. Work on the variables that you can work on. Proper attitude goes a long way to surviving lethal force encounters.
Cheapshooter
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If you recognize the dangers there shouldn't even be a confrontation or need for force of any kind. But in most cases there isn't enough time to recognize anything but you are being attacked.
So you're saying the gangbanging carjacker dragging you out of your car went through the same civilian training classes you did? That's who says proper training in nowhere in his universe! If you are so concerned with proper everything from a training class you're gonna lose.
Reminds me of the guy many years a go that hung around the pool hall in my home town. Back in the karate days w ith the belts, and training and all that stuff. Bragged about all his training, and belts until one day he git into a fight with a good old boy street fighter. The Bruce Lee wannabe sliped on something with his first kick. At which time the street fighter knocked him to the floor, pounced on him, and beat the tar out of him because he was completely out of his "trainng" element. Never saw him in the pool hall again.
Not saying training isn't important. But when things go bad, everything is out the window. Those thugs aren't paper targets waiting for you to implement your training. They are runing, jumping weaving, stabbing hitting shooting attackers.
Murphy is always there and will work to destroy any plan you make.
The combat fairy is totally different. Her invocation usually starts with the phrase, "In combat, I would do it like......."
Meanwhile they do something totally different in training.
Sort of like all those officers who hit consistently on that nice flat range at long distances only to miss at two to ten feet because their lizard brain took over as the Combat Fairy never appeared.
When that lizard brain starts running the show, you want either a huge close iin target to put that muzzle right up against or you want some big bright easy to find front sight post to put right over that thing invoking the lizard brain.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Well, he’s no Gabe Suarez...
Kyle Lamb on shooting without sights - video
Also not Gabe Suarez
Paul Howe on point shooting
Kyle Lamb on shooting without sights - video
Also not Gabe Suarez
Paul Howe on point shooting
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I never said what training I have had. I will say that I was a scraper before I ever had any formal training. But 40 years of wearing a badge and running to the sound of conflict has taught me a thing or two about personal combat.
How many fights have you been in that if you lost you would most likely die? My guess none, based upon your replies.
So, you think that my talking about my experience sounds like BS and bravado? Fine with me.
You need training to LEARN you need experience to put the training into context. Why do you think the US military dominates on the battlefield? It ain't luck.
Come up with that all by yourself?
Aguila Blanca
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I think this discussion has about run its course. I see a lot of people in here who seem to be more interested in how close they can come to the edge of violating Rule #3 than offering any new information pertaining to the actual topic of discussion.
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