Shooting of Officer Stone.
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rangermonroe
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Yeah he survived. He is still doing phys therapy and is not back on the job yet.
I do not know that those guys were caught. Thank God that they couldn't shoot well.
I do not know that those guys were caught. Thank God that they couldn't shoot well.
XavierBreath
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More info on The High Road.
XavierBreath
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I agree, I was quite surprised the Great State of Texas was so soft on these criminals.
Scott Conklin
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I'm glad he made it.
I'm glad they got the SOB's.
With that said I am probably now going to start a fight: They tried to commit murder. What does the LEO part have to do with it? I have never quite grasped this thing about how killing, or trying to kill, a cop is a bigger deal than killing, or trying to kill, anyone else.
Not jumping your case, Das, just don't see the importance of the distinction.
I'm glad they got the SOB's.
With that said I am probably now going to start a fight: They tried to commit murder. What does the LEO part have to do with it? I have never quite grasped this thing about how killing, or trying to kill, a cop is a bigger deal than killing, or trying to kill, anyone else.
Not jumping your case, Das, just don't see the importance of the distinction.
Harley Quinn
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The way the laws are written, if you can't understand that then there is no reason to have this written conversation.
The laws in all the states have statutes that seperate LEO from the citizenry.
I know on this particular forum, there are quite a few that can't quite grasp that fact. Their problem.
HQ
The way the laws are written, if you can't understand that then there is no reason to have this written conversation.
The laws in all the states have statutes that seperate LEO from the citizenry.
I know on this particular forum, there are quite a few that can't quite grasp that fact. Their problem.
HQ
Now hold on a minute
Without hijacking this thread, or letting it turn in to cop bashing(because I respect LEO's, and recognize it as a job I lack the mental makeup to do without snapping)...let me get this straight:
Two bad guys walk into two seperate coffee shops...at one, My wife and I are in condition white, and killed. At the other coffee shop, two police officers are also caught with their guard down and killed.
You think it is RIGHT that the killer of the cops will be prosecuted differently than the killer of the 'normal' people?
I will agree with this statement because I am too busy to look at the laws of all 50 states, however, that does not mean I agree with the sentiment. To parphrase what 2nd Ammendment said, Murder is Murder, Attempted Murder is Attempted Murder.
DasBoot said:
The copy of the story I read said he got 14 life sentences, not 14 years.
greg
Without hijacking this thread, or letting it turn in to cop bashing(because I respect LEO's, and recognize it as a job I lack the mental makeup to do without snapping)...let me get this straight:
Two bad guys walk into two seperate coffee shops...at one, My wife and I are in condition white, and killed. At the other coffee shop, two police officers are also caught with their guard down and killed.
You think it is RIGHT that the killer of the cops will be prosecuted differently than the killer of the 'normal' people?
I will agree with this statement because I am too busy to look at the laws of all 50 states, however, that does not mean I agree with the sentiment. To parphrase what 2nd Ammendment said, Murder is Murder, Attempted Murder is Attempted Murder.
DasBoot said:
The copy of the story I read said he got 14 life sentences, not 14 years.
greg
2ndA & priv8,
I stand corrected....it was 14 life sentences.
I feel a LITTLE better now.
As for there being a distinction between killing an LEO and an ordinary citizen, I'll try to offer the reason.
A murder is a murder, regardless of who, or what, the victim is.
We all understand that.
A life has been taken and there should be some form of retribution, be it years in prison or the death penalty.
I believe the difference is in what the LEOs represent in our society.
They are the personification of our laws and the justice system.
When you murder an LEO, you're not "just" murdering the guy next door.
You're showing a blatant disregard for everything lawful in our society.
And quite possibly, if the punishment were the same for both groups, we might have an LEO death rate to mimic that of the general population.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ONE LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN THE OTHER!
But LEOs are the last bulwark between us and the societal miscreants that walk amongst us.
They put their life in jeapordy everytime they don their uniform.
Not so the average guy on the street.
And by that I mean that by the very nature of their job, they must enforce our laws and put themselves in harms way.
They can't run away or look the other way(although I'm sure there are a few that do, or have.)
I think the distinction is pretty clear and they deserve the extra "perk" if you will.
WHy do I think somebody STILL won't understand this???
I stand corrected....it was 14 life sentences.
I feel a LITTLE better now.
As for there being a distinction between killing an LEO and an ordinary citizen, I'll try to offer the reason.
A murder is a murder, regardless of who, or what, the victim is.
We all understand that.
A life has been taken and there should be some form of retribution, be it years in prison or the death penalty.
I believe the difference is in what the LEOs represent in our society.
They are the personification of our laws and the justice system.
When you murder an LEO, you're not "just" murdering the guy next door.
You're showing a blatant disregard for everything lawful in our society.
And quite possibly, if the punishment were the same for both groups, we might have an LEO death rate to mimic that of the general population.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ONE LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN THE OTHER!
But LEOs are the last bulwark between us and the societal miscreants that walk amongst us.
They put their life in jeapordy everytime they don their uniform.
Not so the average guy on the street.
And by that I mean that by the very nature of their job, they must enforce our laws and put themselves in harms way.
They can't run away or look the other way(although I'm sure there are a few that do, or have.)
I think the distinction is pretty clear and they deserve the extra "perk" if you will.
WHy do I think somebody STILL won't understand this???
Hmmm...
Might just have to agree to disagree with you on that subject, because I see MYSELF in that role. Much like I hold myself 100% responsible for MY actions, I hold myself 100% responsible for my safety.
Now see, that is something we can agree upon 100%. It offends me as a tax payer(granted, not in the state in question here) to know that this guy is going to be living on our dime for the rest of his life. However...I would feel the same way if a 7-11 surveillance camera had captured proof of him knocking off(or attempting to knock) the guy running the Slurpy Machine.
greg
Might just have to agree to disagree with you on that subject, because I see MYSELF in that role. Much like I hold myself 100% responsible for MY actions, I hold myself 100% responsible for my safety.
Now see, that is something we can agree upon 100%. It offends me as a tax payer(granted, not in the state in question here) to know that this guy is going to be living on our dime for the rest of his life. However...I would feel the same way if a 7-11 surveillance camera had captured proof of him knocking off(or attempting to knock) the guy running the Slurpy Machine.
greg
Interesting. Despite disclaimers to the contrary, it seems some here consider an LEO a more worthy citizen than the rest of us. Fortunately, I know several LEOs, here and elsewhere, that think different. They would not get dead or caught alive with a 1* plate on their vehicle.
Group think and group politics may destroy this republic yet. It may be done.
Group think and group politics may destroy this republic yet. It may be done.
In case anyone didn't understand me the first time:
priv8,
I feel the same way you do. As much as we are able to, we responsible for our own well being.
Someone's in my house uninvited, he'll probably be severly hurt prior to 911 being dialed.
That being said, LEOs are entrusted to protect ALL of us, the weak, elderly, respond to disputes, deal with rioters/protesters, etc, etc.
You and I CAN ignore someone with a gun robbing a convenience store. They can't.
We don't have to pull over a car moving erratically, whose occupant might blow our face off when we are within range.
The list is endless.
And I know there is plenty of garbage out there in uniform, but by and large, these folks hold a special place in our society and do an incredible job.
Some may disagree.
However, it's always amusing when a "cop hater" calls the cops cause his car was stolen or house burglerized, or whatever.
Cops are suddenly "elevated" in their minds.
Or the guy that hates cops 'cause they always give him a ticket when he's driving 30 mph over the limit.
Some folks just don't like to follow rules.
Maturity levels differ!
priv8,
I feel the same way you do. As much as we are able to, we responsible for our own well being.
Someone's in my house uninvited, he'll probably be severly hurt prior to 911 being dialed.
That being said, LEOs are entrusted to protect ALL of us, the weak, elderly, respond to disputes, deal with rioters/protesters, etc, etc.
You and I CAN ignore someone with a gun robbing a convenience store. They can't.
We don't have to pull over a car moving erratically, whose occupant might blow our face off when we are within range.
The list is endless.
And I know there is plenty of garbage out there in uniform, but by and large, these folks hold a special place in our society and do an incredible job.
Some may disagree.
However, it's always amusing when a "cop hater" calls the cops cause his car was stolen or house burglerized, or whatever.
Cops are suddenly "elevated" in their minds.
Or the guy that hates cops 'cause they always give him a ticket when he's driving 30 mph over the limit.
Some folks just don't like to follow rules.
Maturity levels differ!
DasBoot said:
DasBoot said:
Yeah, well that covers most of us and a measure of maturity is to what degree you/we commit to following those rules.
DasBoot said:
I said:
No sense in getting those britches wadded up. I read what you wrote and I believe understand all of it, so no need to repeat. I just don't buy into the group approval of all LEOs. That was what I attempted to convey.
Scott Conklin
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All I'll say is a short reply directly to Harley: I didn't ask what "the law" says. I generally haven't cared what the law says since the time the law became a tool to make everyone a criminal. I was wondering, and perhaps you didn't understand, WHY anyone would think there should be any distinction. A question which Das answered, though I generally disagree with his reasoning.
When you attack a LEO you are not just attacking a person you are attacking the uniform and what it represents.
It has little to do with the cop being a better or more worthy person that the ordinary citizen.
It also has to do with the sense of security that an officer must have in order to intentionally put himself in the line of fire. If the BG stops for a second to consider that killing or harming the officer could bring greater repercussions that may be the second that the officer needs or the fear of those repercussions could be all the BG needs to change his mind.
Not that I totally agree with all of it but that is how it has been explained to me, and it made sense
Scott Conklin
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Glad to make ya smile! 
I don't have that efect often.
You're a criminal. So am I. So is everyone else on this board. I can almost guarantee every one of us who has been out and about today has broken a couple laws. I'd bet most of us could find a cop or DA who would charge us with a felony, even if he couldn't make it stick. I'd also bet many of us don't have a clue we broke any laws at all. Because there are so many. Because they are so often so ridiculous...
So I don't worry about "The Law" as a concept anymore. Just give the specific events, instances or topic and I'll go from there. Just because it happens to be a law, well, there's lotsa laws out there. Makes for a nation of law-breakers and criminals like us, well, we're potentially easier to control.
I've dragged this thread so far off topic now it'll never get back on course, so I'll just shaddup and toddle off...
I don't have that efect often.You're a criminal. So am I. So is everyone else on this board. I can almost guarantee every one of us who has been out and about today has broken a couple laws. I'd bet most of us could find a cop or DA who would charge us with a felony, even if he couldn't make it stick. I'd also bet many of us don't have a clue we broke any laws at all. Because there are so many. Because they are so often so ridiculous...
So I don't worry about "The Law" as a concept anymore. Just give the specific events, instances or topic and I'll go from there. Just because it happens to be a law, well, there's lotsa laws out there. Makes for a nation of law-breakers and criminals like us, well, we're potentially easier to control.
I've dragged this thread so far off topic now it'll never get back on course, so I'll just shaddup and toddle off...