Shooting bounty hunters who enter the home

Wha'chou guys got against 'Da Dawg???

Seriously, though. I like that show. It's so ridiculous, it's fascinating.

I'll not get into the semantics of legality of bounty hunting. Suffice to say, I approve of the practice, on moral, social, as well as vindictive principles.;)

Free 'Da Dawg!!!
 
I have no doubt there are some professional bounty hunters who go about apprehending dangerous fugitives in a responsible way and contribute to the overall greater good of society.

However, "Dog's" methodology leaves a lot to be desired. The one part I saw, he was walking toward a house and there was some kid outside who looked like just a neighbor kid wandering by, and "Dog" pointed at the kid and said "YOU STAY RIGHT THERE!" And not in a protective way like 'Hey kid why don't you get out of here so you don't get hurt.' In a 'When I'm done in there I'm going to get you too' kind of way.

I thought to myself, who is this f*ckhead who thinks he can tell random people what to do? He's more of a criminal than the fugitives he apprehends from what I saw.
 
Dog is a retard, period. I find it ironic That a convicted felon is allowed to be a bounty hunter/bondsman. Kick my door in with a can of pepper spray and I promise there will only be one story told in the courtroom, mine. Somebody should tell that retard to get a haircut.
 
Kick my door in with a can of pepper spray and I promise there will only be one story told in the courtroom, mine.
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Hawaii has very strict gun control laws
And it is very hard to fight back with a face full of bear spray and five guys on you
 
Bounty hunters do provide a service to society.
However, some misprepresent themselves. Many have gone into the wrong place, grabbed the wrong person, and put a beat down on somebody already immobilized. These are the people that are the problem.
Since I have lived in my address for some time and haven't committed a felony, a simple check would show they have the wrong place and person. So a slug in the chest it is.

After all, if they were getting the right person the right way, none of this applies.
 
I read a story written by a bounty hunter many moons ago . He mentioned that it was a very boring job for the most part . Perhaps he specialized in low level perps that miss court due to oversleeping . One thing that he said still sticks with me . On those rare occasions when he would crash into a home he would yell "We're Officers". He would kinda mumble the word "We're" and clearly say the word "Officers". People would assume he said "Police Officers" and not resist . According to his story they are actually "some kind" of officer . There's a proper name for them that escapes me but to hear it you would think that they report to The President . I "kinda" associated with a couple of them in FL (I was friends with an armored car driver that used to work with them) and remember that they did auto repo as well . Not the cream of the crop so to speak .I remember seeing an episode of (I think) Law & Order where 2 of them broke into an apartment and blew a bunch of people away and walked . The judge mentioned in his decision about how their powers were from "way up the ladder". He said something about the SCOTUS had given these powers . Needless to say , runaway felons don't get to sleep on my couch .
 
I'm not in Hawaii... And strict gun control laws are not the reason he carries pepper spray.
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He is, which severely limit the chance that he will "Kick your door in with a can of pepper spray" and is also the reason that most of his targets have no guns and are subdued with bear spray
The bounty hunter in N Georgia will probably not be relying on pepper spray when they come through the door because of the ready availability of guns and the good chance that the target will have one

See where I was going with the comment?
 
I've always thought 'Dog' and his possey looked more like

they were from North Georgia, S.C., Florida, Al ect and lived in a trailer park than from Hawaii.

I hope some TV exect got paid real good to drum up that perfect example of "White Trash."
 
Ok you roped me in.

I am a professional Bail Enforcement Agent in the State of Connecticut.

Just a few points I would like to chime in on.

First off, we all hate Dog. He gives our industry a terrible image. Hawaii is the only state in which a convicted felon can act as a bail enforcement agent. He would never be allowed to do recovery work in Connecticut. I know of no agents that will run in pointing a can of OC spray or a gun at any suspect unless they pulled something first.

Second, Bail Enforcement work is largely boring work, you spend a lot of time in the office and on the street doing interviews trying to track people down. About 80% of what we do is people who didnt even know they missed their court date. Most of the time its non-violent crimes. 90% of the time you knock on the door explain whats going on and they will come with you after saying goodbye to their family or girlfriends. 9% of the time they will try and hide under a bed or in the cellar. 1% of the time they will put up a pretty good fight.

I can only speak for Connecticut but we are required to identify ourselves pretty clearly. We have state approved badges. We have the wear in 2 inch reflective yellow lettering front and back reading "Bail Enforcement Agent" on our outter most garmet. We also have 3x5 inch ID cards that are bright orange with our picture and name as well as Bail Enforcement Agent written across them. We cannot identify or pretend to be LEO of any kind.

Yes we have more rightd then police in some senses but much much less in others. We can enter a home without a warrent at any time. This is a right that the bail jumper gives up when he signs a bail contract. We do not have police immunity and we can be taken to civil court however. We do not have powers of arrest and cannot threaten to use them. The bail skipper should not have a gun because he is out of bail BUT he has already commited a crime (failure to appear) and been charged with other crimes so he/she may not be the most law abidding citizen to start with.

As far as getting the wrong house, yes it can happen. It is far more likely for it to happen to a cop then a careful agent. We do our homework because I know if someone kicks in my door at 2am they are getting shot at. I expect the same from any other law abidding citizen in my state. We normally watch a house for some time before entering and we always attempt a peaceful entry first. We also have the bail contract with the skippers address on it so we know its correct to start from. Just a side note we also have justification to enter the house of someone who posted bond for the suspect so be careful who you help get out of jail.

I have never had to enter a house with a weapon of any kind drawn be it OC spray or my firearm, but if someone pulls a weapon at me you better be damn sure I am going to defend my life, im not in the mood to die picking up some deadbeat.

We treat everyone we grab with respect unlike Dog. We dont lecture them about their lives, we dont make thme feel bad. We are doing a job and they know that, we let them smoke if they want, we let them take a shower say goodbye to their kids, and unless needed we never handcuff in front of their children.

The people who I know who engage in this bussiness are professionals, most of us have a law enforcement background. I personally have a military background. The amount of work we have to go through to get approved by the state normally flushes out the bad apples, and the background check flushes out all the former misfits.

I am open to answering any questions anyone may have.

Thank you for your time.
 
BEA1982,

I appreciate your input in the discussion. I found your post to be informative.

I really don't expect working with a bail bondsman is something I will ever to do, at least I hope that is the case, but I certainly do see the need for professional individuals in your profession.

My wife is an attorney and at times does deal with bail bondsman, the ones she has dealt with to date have treated her clients professionally (often more so than they deserve). Fortunately she does not practice much criminal law anymore so the frequency with which she has to deal with the criminal element has declined. She still does some family law which IMHO is actually more dangerous.

Again, thanks for the input and information.
 
Thanks BEA

for clearing that up a little. Sounds like Hawaii has the most lax Bounty Hunter laws in the country. Of course professionals like yourself probably wouldn't make as entertaining a TV show as "Dog" does. Like honest cops and ethical lawyers don't make for good TV either.

Welcome to the boards!
 
Man, BEA. It doesn't sound like your job would make a very interesting T.V. show at all!

Hey, you think if I dressed up in biker gear, and started calling everyone "Bra," they'd make a T.V. show about me? A&E could call it, "Dog the Paper-Pushing Desk-Jockey I.P. Attorney." I could even spray bear mace around in my office, and pray all the time! I think we're on to something, here...

Seroiously, though, BEA. Thanks for the info.
 
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