Shooting a handgun sideways

The reason why BG's and gangsta's hold thier guns in that fashion?
CAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THEY CAME OUT OF THE BOX. go figure......
 
12-34hom........ Luv it! Filing for future use. Heh.

I wonder how practical it would be to have a 1911 heated and bent 90 degrees so the handle wud be like a Sten. Satisfy everyone.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 12-34hom:
The reason why BG's and gangsta's hold thier guns in that fashion?
CAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THEY CAME OUT OF THE BOX. go figure...... [/quote]

Hey! Now THAT's funny!



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johnnyb
 
This question is better suited for the Full Auto forum, but since we're talking about holding guns sideways... Were Thompsons ever _really_ fired held at 90 degrees, or is that another movie myth? I had a rock n' roll 1927, and the only way to keep the shots on the paper was to shoulder it. Comments from some of you veteran shooters much appreciated.

BTW, is there any way we could get Hollywood to show the gun being held with the muzzle pointed back at the BG's head?

Dick
 
Actually, the angle has little to do with how the gun is oriented in the box. Up here in the NW, we describe the sideways shooting position as how it looks while shooting out the sunroof of the car (while driving)!! ......SmithNut
 
I just remembered... The actress being interviewed was Janine Garafalo- though I probably just butchered the spelling of her name. She's a funny comedian, a good actress, and obviously a poor role model for shooting styles.

Erik
 
A note on Acuracy, safety training and sideways shooting:

A few years (as many as 6) ago an Aurora SWAT officer was killed during a training exercise when the officer behind him (in a live fire exercise) shot the point officer in the head while providing covering fire.

The explanation for the error was poor disciplne under fire, on both parties.. and the fact that the officer providing covering fire was using a full auto MAC-10 held on its SIDE, instead of vertical. No one went to jail over the incident, but it really broke up the members of the swat team. Its lucky the error did not occur while under actual fire.

I hadn't thought about this until someone pointed out they tried this with a full auto weapon.

Actors are NOT good role models when it comes to gunplay.. from the best to the worst, most all practice poor or unsafe firearms handling.

(In fact the ONLY film I can recall in a long time that showed people practicing good gunhandling was Platoon.)

Dr.Rob
 
When I took Insight's Intensive handgun Skills Class last year, Greg Hamilton told us to cant the gun when shooting one-handed. By experimenting with the angle of cant, you will find one position in which the sights will track up and down perfectly. This will vary somewhat with the gun and the individual, but finding the right angle helps considerably with followup shots.

John Francis
 
Besides what the Doc said about the bones and muscles etc being essentially unnatural when held sideways, think about this...
When you hold the pistol the right way, your periphral vison is good to the right and to the left. When you hold the pistol "gangsta" style, you not only look stupid, but you block your periphral vison to one side, the side holding the pistol.
 
Monkeyleg: Held like a normal rifle, and aiming on a three-foot circle at 100 yards with a Thompson, it was easy to get three hits before it rose above the target. Took some hold-down effort to get four or five hits.

For ten to twenty yards, we could control two- and three-shot bursts onto an IPSC target with the buttstock held between the arm and ribcage.

Never tried any odd-ball angles. Don't plan to, either.

FWIW, Art
 
I wonder if I should try shooting a 300grn bullet outta my .454 holding the gun sideways to improve accuracey. :eek:

Nah, at 3 feet the muzzle blast will take care of the job. BAHAHAHAHAHA :D

Just funning guys, I think you might hurt yourself shooting like that, I mean if John Browning meant for a gun to be fired sideways, he would have put sights on the side of the gun, hehehe. :rolleyes:

Keep on hitting the bull's-eye,
DaHaMac
 
I tried a Thompson held sideways. I never liked it and was unable to keep on target any better then normal. But if wanting to spray in a arc. Holding it sideways worked. Then I got a MP-5 and forgot about all that nonsense.
 
Someone please cite the empirical study demonstrating high hit ratios among gang bangers and hoodlums. Heck, I'll even let you throw in point-blank executions. Bring on the numbers. BVT
 
A few years ago Ayoob asked one of his classes to try the "bullsh*t" or "gangsta" method.


Results were uniformly poor.


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I'm cross dominant (left-handed, right-eyed), & I find that in force-on-force training my most natural two handed shooting position is a loosley modified Weaver and the gun held at a 45 degree angle from vertical. It feels a little unnatural to twist my left arm the extra 15 degrees to get the gun vertical. We always work on the premise that if it works, don't fix it, and so far this method works well for the combat shooting that I spend most of my time doing.

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I read an article in a gun mag (don't remember which one...maybe Combat Handguns) a few years ago that discussed this technique. According to the article, the Israeli military shoots like that. And they're quite accurate with it. Their theory was that if you hold your arm out naturally, your palm faces the floor. So, in a quick draw and aim situation, you get a very quick and accurate point with it. It's mostly point shooting with little aiming so shooting the gun in the "normal" style slowly will give you better accuracy. But if you're 3 feet away from your target, this tecnique works well, according to this article.
 
Israelis don't shoot like that.

They do train to 1911s in condition 3. Their chambering technique involved drawing the pistol, then chambering a round with the gun held to the side. They then commence shooting as normal. The idea that they shoot gangsta style comes from viewing the still photos of them executing the chambering maneuver, and assuming that they are shooting at that point.

Erik
 
Art, I know we're going off-thread with this, but using a shotgun patterning target at 50 feet I was able to empty the drum and keep just about all the shots (sometimes all 50 ) on the paper. Hold to the lower left corner and hang on tight! It was fun for a bit, but spending $200 on ammo for an hour or two of shooting just got to be too much.

Dick
 
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