Shootin Lead in my G-26 No Fouling
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Okay, guys, once more:
DO NOT SHOOT LEAD BULLETS THROUGH YOUR GLOCK HANDGUN, AS EQUIPPED WITH THE FACTORY BARREL.
The handgun was designed to function and perform with JACKETED bullets. DO NOT USE LEAD.
If you want a reference, well, I got the best that I could find. May not be good enough for some of you technical folks that "know better". If you want, you may speak first hand to the folks that gave me the information.
Their telephone number is 770-432-1202. In case you're interested, it's the Glock factory in Smyrna, GA.
The tech that I spoke to stated the following:
1. The factory fires 6000 rounds PER DAY through various Glock handguns.
2. The techs there DELIBERATELY shoot high pressure loads (blue pills), shoot into obstructions in the barrel, and purposely blow guns up to inspect and to analyze them.
3. The guy I spoke to said that his carry gun is a G23, with 13,000 documented rounds fired through it so far. He has been with Glock since 1990, and has been a gunsmith for 23 years.
So, I guess for all you ballisticians out there that can outguess the factory, this still might not be good enough.
I choose to heed the warnings from the guys that manufacture the pistols--DON'T SHOOT LEAD IN THE GLOCK.
Period.
DO NOT SHOOT LEAD BULLETS THROUGH YOUR GLOCK HANDGUN, AS EQUIPPED WITH THE FACTORY BARREL.
The handgun was designed to function and perform with JACKETED bullets. DO NOT USE LEAD.
If you want a reference, well, I got the best that I could find. May not be good enough for some of you technical folks that "know better". If you want, you may speak first hand to the folks that gave me the information.
Their telephone number is 770-432-1202. In case you're interested, it's the Glock factory in Smyrna, GA.
The tech that I spoke to stated the following:
1. The factory fires 6000 rounds PER DAY through various Glock handguns.
2. The techs there DELIBERATELY shoot high pressure loads (blue pills), shoot into obstructions in the barrel, and purposely blow guns up to inspect and to analyze them.
3. The guy I spoke to said that his carry gun is a G23, with 13,000 documented rounds fired through it so far. He has been with Glock since 1990, and has been a gunsmith for 23 years.
So, I guess for all you ballisticians out there that can outguess the factory, this still might not be good enough.
I choose to heed the warnings from the guys that manufacture the pistols--DON'T SHOOT LEAD IN THE GLOCK.
Period.
Just for clarification:
I do not own a Glunk,
I will not own a Glunk,
They make me feel upchunk.
Their like a big ol club,
In an unfriendly pub,
And therein lies the rub.
Glockers, choose lead or not,
But don't become a snot,
When you get all hot.
Translating info on the Glunk,
To other pistols is Bunk,
Don't feed me all that junk.
And have a nice day!
I do not own a Glunk,
I will not own a Glunk,
They make me feel upchunk.
Their like a big ol club,
In an unfriendly pub,
And therein lies the rub.
Glockers, choose lead or not,
But don't become a snot,
When you get all hot.
Translating info on the Glunk,
To other pistols is Bunk,
Don't feed me all that junk.
And have a nice day!
JohnKSa:
Your like a bulldog who won't let go, gotta admire that.
However, you are not quoting all the facts, but twisting them in a true Clintonian and Sarah Bradyish fashion.
Your Forensic Engineer clearly states that: he contiues to shoot the same lead bullets I do Only difference is he shoots them in Glocks with unsuported chambers that fire out of battery.
he contiues to shoot the same lead bullets I do
he contiues to shoot the same lead bullets I do
Your like a bulldog who won't let go, gotta admire that.
However, you are not quoting all the facts, but twisting them in a true Clintonian and Sarah Bradyish fashion.
Your Forensic Engineer clearly states that: he contiues to shoot the same lead bullets I do Only difference is he shoots them in Glocks with unsuported chambers that fire out of battery.
he contiues to shoot the same lead bullets I do
he contiues to shoot the same lead bullets I do
Shoney:
This has been a marvelously entertaining, if somewhat repetitive, thread.
But your most recent post is somewhat confusing - the forensic engineer says he shoots PLATED bullets because shooting LEAD bullets is DANGEROUS.
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he shoots the same bullets that you do ??
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he shoots the same bullets that you do ??
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he shoots the same bullets that you do ??
Dawg23
This has been a marvelously entertaining, if somewhat repetitive, thread.
But your most recent post is somewhat confusing - the forensic engineer says he shoots PLATED bullets because shooting LEAD bullets is DANGEROUS.
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he shoots the same bullets that you do ??
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he shoots the same bullets that you do ??
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he shoots the same bullets that you do ??
Dawg23
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Shoney,
Reading is fundamental.
Shoney sez:
Meanwhile, what the guy in question actually wrote was:
If you want to follow a foolish practice that is your business; however, please don't encourage other people to be stupid.
Reading is fundamental.
Shoney sez:
Meanwhile, what the guy in question actually wrote was:
If you want to follow a foolish practice that is your business; however, please don't encourage other people to be stupid.
Here's MarkCo's testing:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82
And another thread:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75243&highlight=glock+lead
The summary of the data is as follows. This is using the *same* load in all cases. It demonstrates how lead bullets will cause dangerous overpressure situations.
baseline load: 33.0 kpsi
after 50 lead: 34.2 kpsi
after 100 lead: 35.1 kpsi
after 150 lead: 38.8 kpsi
after 200 lead: 41.0 kpsi
after 300 lead: 45.0 kpsi
-z
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82
And another thread:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75243&highlight=glock+lead
The summary of the data is as follows. This is using the *same* load in all cases. It demonstrates how lead bullets will cause dangerous overpressure situations.
baseline load: 33.0 kpsi
after 50 lead: 34.2 kpsi
after 100 lead: 35.1 kpsi
after 150 lead: 38.8 kpsi
after 200 lead: 41.0 kpsi
after 300 lead: 45.0 kpsi
-z
I have not diagreed with the Glock data. Shooting lead in Glock when you do not regularly clean the barrel, will cause catastrophic failure. These are givens. I've said that repeatedly in this thread.
My gripe is when ignorant people take Glock data, and say it applies to all 40S&W pistols. This is a totally false assumption, and warped individuals repeat this untruth religiously, even when presented the facts.
The forensic engneer stated that he fired 700 lead rounds 16.5 BHN without cleaning his Glock to produce failure. No competent shooter should do that with jacketed, much less lead.
Plated lead bullets are still lead bullets.
I shoot National Bullet Co. plated lead bullets in a 40S&W hexagonal barrel with a supported chamber, and they do lead the barrel. Same with Raineer and West Coast bullets. Granted, they do not lead nearly as much as unplated, but lead they do.
The people who rail aginst using lead in 40S&W include the plated in the mix of all lead. You see it in any number of threads.
I also have and do shoot many other brands of unplated hard cast lead, but never run more than 50 bullets down the tube without shooting a magazine of jacketed bullets. In softer BNH brands, I run a Lewis lead remover down the barrel after every 20 rounds.
Why do I clean the barrel so often while shooting lead? To prevent pressure? No! It's because accuracy falls off as the lead builds. As a sideling, I also keep pressures in the safe ranges.
Bottom line and last comment I will make in this thread.
If you wish to warn glock shooters of the dangers of lead, fine. Please do so, because I do and will in the future. But if you ignorantly warn all 40S&W shooters not to use lead, then you are far beyound dishonest.
Shoney
My gripe is when ignorant people take Glock data, and say it applies to all 40S&W pistols. This is a totally false assumption, and warped individuals repeat this untruth religiously, even when presented the facts.
The forensic engneer stated that he fired 700 lead rounds 16.5 BHN without cleaning his Glock to produce failure. No competent shooter should do that with jacketed, much less lead.
Plated lead bullets are still lead bullets.
I shoot National Bullet Co. plated lead bullets in a 40S&W hexagonal barrel with a supported chamber, and they do lead the barrel. Same with Raineer and West Coast bullets. Granted, they do not lead nearly as much as unplated, but lead they do.
The people who rail aginst using lead in 40S&W include the plated in the mix of all lead. You see it in any number of threads.
I also have and do shoot many other brands of unplated hard cast lead, but never run more than 50 bullets down the tube without shooting a magazine of jacketed bullets. In softer BNH brands, I run a Lewis lead remover down the barrel after every 20 rounds.
Why do I clean the barrel so often while shooting lead? To prevent pressure? No! It's because accuracy falls off as the lead builds. As a sideling, I also keep pressures in the safe ranges.
Bottom line and last comment I will make in this thread.
If you wish to warn glock shooters of the dangers of lead, fine. Please do so, because I do and will in the future. But if you ignorantly warn all 40S&W shooters not to use lead, then you are far beyound dishonest.
Shoney
Wasn't aware I had done that...I thought this thread was about the use of lead in GLOCK pistols. I believe that I used the word Glock at least once in each of my posts. Are you sure you've actually read them????
The only blanket statement I made about shooting lead was taken directly from a Beretta 92G owner's manual. If that's what's got you up in arms, perhaps you should take it up with Beretta.
You know, it's a useful skill to learn to stop talking when you have nothing further intelligent to say. I thought you had reached your pinnacle of blather with the 'Glunk' poem, but I see you have resources which are as yet unplumbed.
Since that is the case, I believe I will stop posting on this thread. Perhaps if I let you have the last word it will placate you--at least that is my hope.
I think another poem would round out your rather bizarre stream of posts quite nicely (if I might be so bold as to make a suggestion) but maybe something a little more free form this time.
I'll be checking in frequently for your response--what you lack in reading comprehension, logic and debate skills, you make up in entertainment value.
Regards,
John