Shoot On Sight

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I saw where you said you would shoot any dog Running Big Game.
Well I Coon Hunt with Hounds, and have several friends that hunt Feral Hog, With Dogs, and other friends in other States that hunt Bear and Mountain Lion with Dogs.

I just want you to know that IFANYONE EVER SHOOTS ONE OF MY HUNTING DOGS SOMETHING VERY BAD WILL HAPPEN TO THEM!!!!!!!

It is Illegal to shoot someones hunting dog!!

Where you live, it may be illegal to shoot a hunting dog.

Where I live, there is no such thing. There is not a single big game species that is legal to track, pursue, or herd with any domesticated animal. (The only exception here is tracking a wounded animal, but it is only allowed in some areas, for certain species. And, if that animal ends up fleeing, the dog must be called off by the owner. Allowing it to pursue even a wounded big game animal is strictly forbidden.)

Even if it's a legal bird/bear/cougar dog.... if it's running big game, the law is on my side - to shoot it.

Bear and Cougar are not big game in most western states. They may be bigger than most game, but have paws instead of hooves. As such - they're usually listed as Predators, Fur Bearers, or Small Game.

Your dogs are safe anyway. I have no desire to hunt in Texas.

You can hunt various things with a dog in pennsylvania,
Walk up to a group of hunters with dogs and shoot one of their dogs and see what happens. You may be ok in Yankey Land But
I wouldnt recomend it around here.
Yea... we magically went from dogs running big game, to shooting dogs next to their owners....

Calm down.
 
I have to confess to my snake phobia. Shooting one with a real gun is out of the question since I live in the city. I don't think the neighbors would appreciate that. I have killed a snake with a pellet gun though. It was sticking out of my hedges as my wife walked less than 2 feet in front of it. I know there are only a few poisonous specias, but I'm not going to get close enough to check out its eyes. I have snake shot for my .22 LR, but I will also use a pellet gun or shovel.
 
FrankenMauser,

Your safe also, I have no desire to ever hunt in your God forsaken State.
I would end up in the Pen if I lived there. For Life
 
In Colorado, the law allows shooting dogs that are harassing livestock - mostly aimed at feral dogs running loose.

I've used dogs bird hunting but, they were well trained and stayed by my side when not retrieving birds.

I think snake phobia is very common. I only kill rattlesnakes (which I rarely see - they aren't very socially inclined) and, for me, the best snake killer is a spade - shovel - no noise or ricochets and are legal in city limits.
 

SERIOUSLY, let it go!

No one here is attempting to shoot YOUR dogs.

We live in different parts of the country. We have different rules. Different game animals. Different terrain. Different problems.

Where some of us live, dogs running Elk, Deer, and Antelope is a serious problem. As such, the wildlife "powers that be" have said it is legal to kill the offending dogs.


If you want a good example of why it is legal to shoot these dogs in many western states, do a search here. Cornbush had a post last year, that talked about an incident he was involved in (Involved both Utah and Idaho, due to location and residency of the parties).

Some jackass with a bird dog, had let that dog off its leash (illegal in that area, to begin with), and it was running a cow Elk and her baby. Cornbush dropped the dog with a single shot, and notified the Fish and Game. Both Elk collapsed on the spot, and were dying of exhaustion. They both had to be put down by the warden. That damn dog had run them to complete exhaustion ... for fun. (The owner of the dog is not applicable to this particular argument - but there was a 30 minute armed standoff between Cornbush and the dog's owner... before the warden used his own weapon while instructing the guy the get the f*** out of there, before he was arrested. Since the dog had tags; the guy got cited for harassment of wildlife, and wanton waste of wildlife, anyway. :D)
 
shoot on sight

basically in tenn. it is illegal to take any wild game of which there is no season for hunting. this includes snakes which have some very stiff penalties:(
 
Franken Mauser, I can see TX Hunters point and where I believe you are wrong is you stated that you would shoot "any" dog running big game. You said you ran coon dogs but your attitude would lead me to doubt how complete your experience is with them. Many, many coon dogs will run trash when young and this includes big game. Is it the owner's desire? Heck no. But it does happen and every dog (don't care whether they are bird, coon, coyote, squirrel dogs) hunter I've ever known will break the dog or cull it on their own. No need for you to do it. If you honestly will shoot someone's hunting dog without first trying to find out the circumstances you are in the wrong no matter if it's legal or not.

This is not to say that feral dogs and dogs with a history shouldn't be shoot. They should. But to shoot "any" dog for running big game is wrong and for the most part pig headed. Basically the same as someone shooting a dog for crossing their fence.

LK
 
You said you ran coon dogs but your attitude would lead me to doubt how complete your experience is with them. Many, many coon dogs will run trash when young and this includes big game. Is it the owner's desire? Heck no. But it does happen and every dog (don't care whether they are bird, coon, coyote, squirrel dogs) hunter I've ever known will break the dog or cull it on their own. No need for you to do it. If you honestly will shoot someone's hunting dog without first trying to find out the circumstances you are in the wrong no matter if it's legal or not.

Never did say I ran coon dogs. You probably confused me with another poster.

If a hunter is going to "break the dog... on their own", they better keep it off big game. It is a serious problem out west. We lose enough animals every year, that the Fish and Game departments of most western states have said dogs (even tagged) running big game are to be considered wild dogs.... wild dogs harassing wildlife. Since wild dogs are nuisance animals that can be culled without a license, at any time... It's an open invitation to eliminate the offenders.

A single dog can run an entire herd of Elk to unrecoverable exhaustion (death) in less than 2 hours. If the Elk had a particularly rough season, it can take as little as 30 minutes. There have been many instances of just that... entire herds run to death by unleashed dogs, or sheep herders' dogs.

In one recent case, the dog's owner caught up to the dog just in time to see the game warden put a bullet through it's head. Apparently, the 20+ Elk dying on the ground didn't mean much to him. He took a few pot shots at the warden, before heading home. (Like Cornbush's incident, the guy forgot about the tags on his dog, and was surprised to be arrested.)


They may not be applicable to some parts of this country, but where I hunt - These laws and regulations are in place for a damn good reason.

...Which seems to be the biggest point people are missing for many species in this thread. I said it in my previous post:
We live in different parts of the country. We have different rules. Different game animals. Different terrain. Different problems.

What seems like a pig-headed move in one part of the country, is perfectly acceptable in other parts. Killing a "hunting dog" in Pennsylvania or Texas might bring about a tense situation, and jail time for the shooter. Killing that same dog in Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, or Idaho might bring about a tense situation, as well. But the jail time will be an option for the owner, not the shooter. In some cases, the shooter is likely to be considered for one of the anti-Poaching reward programs (free tags, money, etc... depending on state, species, and other factors).

If you don't like the laws in a certain state, don't hunt there.
 
I see I forgot one thing about a black Lab I hunted with some years ago. His interest ran out after about two hours if we hadn't shot any birds by that time.

He would go back to the shade of the car and sleep - guess he figured if we hadn't shot any birds by that time, we weren't serious - never mind that we hadn't seen any and hadn't fired a shot.

:rolleyes:
 
How about some common sense in these posts about dogs? (Or cats.) I don't see much of it. I know of nobody who's gonna just go out and let fly at a dog for no reason. Some judgement before any shot is the usual process--dog or deer.

For instance, I would not expect somebody's well-trained and valuable hunting dog to be attacking a calf or horse. That's very much uncommon behavior for such a dog. Plus, such dogs generally have collars, which is a clue that it's not feral.

A dog or a pack of dogs chasing livestock? Or chasing game animals in an area where hunting with dogs is not allowed? That's a whole 'nother deal entirely.

There is no "One size fits all" in these situations.

Example: In the Texas Panhandle, there is a season and bag limit for Aoudad. In Brewster County, they're feral. What's bad is that they're very territorial and will run mule deer away from water. What's worse is that they're occupying the ecological niche which could be occupied by the native desert bighorn--and so they've seriously gotten in the way of the multi-million dollar bighorn restoration project which has been ongoing for over forty years. (None, fifty years ago; some 400, ten years ago, and some 1,400 today. Lots of private money in the deal as well as state money.)

So: Feral, shoot on sight. And if you can't harvest the meat for whatever reason, sobeit.

Anyway, save the chest-beating and emoting about any sort of animal, dogs or whatevers.
 
Art,

Apparently in the Texas panhandle....road signs are feral and must be shot on sight.:):)...well, depends on who your talkin about in the panhandle, where I grew up, anything with a heartbeat was open game....the old saying was "it takes two or more shots for the game warden to find you"....where I live now seems like people show a little more restraint....
 
Art Eatman

I never said I shot dogs running anything, I just answered an incorrect statement and said what was legal in my state. Not a month goes by that the cops don't shoot dogs that break into peoples rabbit hutches, chicken coops, gang up and kill other peoples dogs and about once a year tear the face off a kid. That was what I was talking about when everybody went spastic. That is the law in Pa., take it or leave it.
 
How about some common sense in these posts about dogs? (Or cats.) I don't see much of it. I know of nobody who's gonna just go out and let fly at a dog for no reason. Some judgement before any shot is the usual process--dog or deer.

Oh come on. That's expecting a lot. ;)

I don't shoot anything on sight. When my mother gave me my first gun years ago, she told me "Don't ever kill something you can't brag about." That advice has never left me.

I've killed snakes in the past. Nothing at all to brag about there. Now I leave them alone too.
 
Out in the bush, I let certain snakes live. Others will die. Near my home, no snake is safe.

Others:

Raccoons (rampant in my area) (my dad traps couple dozen each year)
Foxes (too many)
Coyotes (need to thin 'em out)
Skunks (who needs 'em?)
*The above creatures kill all the pheasants in my town.

Neighbor's dog (if he keeps trespassing or does his duty on my lawn...but I will start with a few pumps with the pellet gun)
 
No sweat, Gunplummer. As usual, "If the shoe don't fit, don't wear it." :D

Like I keep hollerin', "Ain't no one size fits all." Different places, different problems. And, of course, different laws. We all have to play that ancient game called "Live With It".
 
I think it is funny how some will shoot snakes in the wild while they are hunting or hiking. Even rattlesnakes will usually try to get away, and if not, then just walk around. We're supposed to be outdoorsmen here. :D
 
any bird that is black. Any blue jay that hacks me off. Any squirrel that happens to be near if I have any weapon. Cave crickets.

Best thing for a cave cricket is the biggest thing you got; 12 gauge skeet rounds are a minimum.
 
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