Shoemaker arrested

There are some members of this board who, before I even read their post, I can be sure It'll make me hoping mad. Some of the usual suspects are active in this thread and if you know my stance I'm sure you'll know who I'm talking about.

My best wishes and prayers go out to Captain Shoemaker. If we had 80 million Shoemakers instead of 80 million [*edited at moderator's request*] do you think we'd be where we are today?

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I stand by my statement of farce. Are we so hard up for heros that we need to follow people that have divine revelations? Sorry, I for one can't buy it. You may see Shoemaker as a regular everyday guy, fed up with the system. I see him as a headline grabber that took a pretty safe road to jail, where he can sit and rave about the injustice, while others march in his place.

Just what the F* do you think caused him to lose his fear of death as he puts it? He's got nothing to lose, his words, not mine. Only the desperate or terminal can make that statement. Shoemaker is far from desperate.


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Erik,

Education means dispensing Truth. Most people find some aspects of Truth to be offensive, primarily because they are not living it.

RAE,

Who cares what caused him to lose his fear of death! That does not matter.

He's not your "everyday regular guy," he paid more than lip service to our Constitution. And even though he got arrested before he could go through with what he said he was going to do, it's probably more than you or I have done. So that makes him unusual and certainly more integral with what we claim to believe.

BTW - where are the other heroes that we should be admiring? Please name a few and the reasons we should admire them.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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SOB gives 2 cents. In the earlier post that announced Mr. Shoemaker several of us expressed our concern over what could happen if the guy did as he threatened. Some even suggested unarmed folks surround him so that the anti rights groups couldn't make him the poster child for their "see we told you all gunowners were nuts" campaign. At least this has been averted for now. Now the rest of you quit arguing and plan the fathers day million round pictures to post. I'm sending mine of the family shooting to my senators and reps. I plan to let them know we do it for fun, and our own protection and that we're not raising sheep!
 
Ain't worth it.

Some battles are best not fought. You folks think he's right. Some of us think he's doing more harm than good.

Doubt if one side will make the other side see any different.

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Let me offer another perspective. Radicals do serve a purpose.

Consider the PLO. Murderous thugs, in my book. Disgusting atrocities that should have resulted in the leaders and their troops hanging from a rope. But, it worked for them. Without the PLO, who would have cared one bit about the Palestinians? Would Israel ever have negotiated with them if the PLO had not taken up arms? Personally, I doubt it.

I think it is an unfortunate human quality that radicals perform this 'service'. In essence, they can move the pendulum, and make the previously 'radical' relatively more mainstream. With enough 'Shoemakers', the NRA, GOA and JPFO look positively tame.

So, was Shoemaker right? IMHO, he sounded as though neither 'oar' was in the water. OTOH, a few Shoemakers, a few 'Window War' skirmishes, Tyranny Response Team protests and other actions can put a finer point on this debate.

I do know this. The anti-self defense movement will be forced to realize that their brand of fascism will not be accepted without resistance. Each person on the side of the RKBA will need to decide whether they will simply stand quietly by, or whether they will take some action to prevent the continued destruction of the RKBA. And, by logical extension for many of us, further serious damage to the Bill of Rights.

Personally, I'll never use violence except to defend innocent life. But, I can believe that some of us, perhaps many of us, will be arrested in 'civil rights' protests over the next few years. With luck, perhaps a change in administration will help move the pendulum back, and all of this aggravation can be avoided.

Regards from AZ
 
Guys don't get me wrong. I support this guy untill he says start killing the police if they try to arrest him. He was planning on doing something illegal. SHould it be illegal? HELL NO. But as for now it is, and until the law is overturned it is the job of the police to arrest him when he breaks the law. What if one of the police who was ordered him to arrest him was someone from here. Or one of your friends. It could be someone who believes in the Right to keep and bear arms. But the guy would be performing an illegal act and needs to be arrested for it. (speaking from an officers Point of view that is) So here we could have an officer that agrees with him. But wants to peacefully arrest him because he is breaking the law. Then suddenly a shot rings out and the officer is dead. So now we have people outraged at the death of a Police officer. All Gun owners are treated as criminals for it. And one of our supporters is dead.

Now this is only one posibility but this seems to be what people want. And as I have said before, if this happens we Lose. We lose BIG.
 
Picture of Shoemaker after arrest.

shoe.jpg


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Only thing you can say to that. OUCH. Lookms like he got messed up a bit there.
Now the question is: What really happened? Did he resist arrest(very possible) or did they just hit him and say he resisted(Also very possible). Once Again I don't agree with his "Kill them" statements but none the less I don't think he should have he crap beat out of him unless he attacked the police.
 
So Kevin, when one law conflicts with another how do you choose?

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
This is mess. But I think the authorities just should have ignored him, kept their distance. He wasn't going to open up on anybody at random. They made it an issue.

But it sure didn't help anybody when he mentioned killing LEOs.
 
In a way he actually won this one. Yes he was arrested and beat up, but he did get some publicity and people out there are more aware that there are lots of folks who simply will not go along with these unconstitutional laws. Every bit helps. Alot of people may think he was a loon, but as you get going and you get more and more 'loons' it begins to become a real issue. Then people begin to really take notice.

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
For my insight on the issue, see my writeup at Guntruths.com at: http://guntruths.com/Guest%20Correspondent/high_price_of_doing_nothing.htm entitled "The high price of doing nothing wrong". The only portion of the personal info that remains accurate is the phone number and hopefully that will change to a Colorado number really soon.

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.


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