Shipping handguns no FFL

LarryFlew said:
sold a lot of handguns that I sent by UPS before I found an FFL that would do it for $20 plus actual shipping (usually the med flat rate box mentioned earlier) through USPS. Usually means it cost me $35ish with insurance vs $65 UPS next day air. Also means I no longer have to get to a UPS hub.
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Yeah, I'm thinking the same way. I just talked to a guy with an FFL because I thought I would have to use one based on what UPS originally told me (before I talked to them a 2nd time). He charges $20 plus shipping but he doesn't have to use 2nd day air so his shipping is a lot cheaper. So, it still ends up being cheaper to pay him $20 to do it. So, I may go that route.
 
OP - the cheapest method of shipping is to find your local FFL and have hi use his FFL to ship via the USPS - even with a fee, it will be cheaper than UPS overnight
 
Cost-wise almost every time I have shipped any distance at all it has been closer to $60 than $40. I generally have a set number in mind when I sell handguns on Gunbroker and at that point I will split the shipping costs with the buyer. Makes it a little more palatable for someone who has to pay shipping then the transfer fee from an FFL also. Can really add to the basic cost and things like a nice Ruger become too expensive to buy online - you just mosey over to the overpriced shop...
 
Just shipped my pistol off to Bill Springfield via Fed Ex overnight priority (required)...$75 (with insurance)....... OUCH!!! :mad:
 
Hunter2678 said:
Don, did you tell the FedEx folks outright that your parcel contained a gun?
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Someone already posted this but you must have missed it: Federal law REQUIRES that you notify the shipper the package contains a handgun. I often see people on gun forums recommending that you just declare it as "machine parts" to save a few bucks, but doing so is committing a Federal felony offense. Good luck with that.
 
Let's get it straight from the source.

UPS has posted on their website:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/re...es/firearms.html?srch_pos=1&srch_phr=firearms

Shipping Firearms

Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms

Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), law enforcement agencies of the United States (or of any department or agency of the United States), law enforcement agencies of any state or department agency (or political subdivision of any state), from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law, and when such shipment complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package.


Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921,will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).
UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm, firearm mufflers and silencers are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)
UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment.
Firearms (including handguns) and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally.
UPS ReturnsSM Services are not available for packages containing firearms.



Follow These Packing Requirements
Packages containing handguns must be separated from other packages tendered to UPS for delivery.
All firearms are to be shipped in new corrugated packaging which meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines. Medium and large UPS boxes may be used for smaller shipments being shipped via UPS Express service.
All firearms are to be packaged in accordance with UPS Packaging Guideline Specifications.
Ammunition must be shipped separately from packages that contain firearms (including handguns).
Ammunition will be transported only when packaged and labeled in compliance with 49 C.F.R. § 172 regarding hazardous materials shipments, and must be shipped in accordance with the UPS Guide for Shipping Ground and Air Hazardous Materials.



About Documentation and Labeling
The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required service for each package containing a firearm, including a handgun, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.
The labeling and outer box markings on all firearms shipments should not identify the contents as containing a firearm. Labeling, including the shipper's and consignee's abbreviated names on the shipping label or air shipping document, must be non-descriptive.



Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via, UPS Drop Boxes, UPS On-Call PickupSM, or at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer.
When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.
See the terms and conditions in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service for information regarding firearm shipments.


FEDEX:
http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guide/terms/express-ground/
Firearms

FedEx Ground will transport and deliver firearms (excluding handguns) as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
If your shipment contains firearms, select the Direct Signature Required or Adult Signature Required Delivery Signature Option, depending on the requirements of your shipment. See the Delivery Signature Options section for details. Firearms shipments are not eligible for signature release, driver release or indirect delivery.
FedEx Ground cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.
Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Ground is required to notify FedEx Ground that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.
The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
FedEx Ground will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
FedEx Ground will not accept for transport handguns, assembled or disassembled.





Well, the last sentence is a new one?
 
was talking about dealer transfers in my previous post.

FFL dealers, pawnbrokers, and manufacturers can legally mail handguns; unlicensed individuals and C&R FFLs (licensed collectors) cannot, unless the handgun in question is a legal antique (which is another topic unto itself
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Its quite evedent that the OP is not a licensed dealer. As for a FFL holder using the USPS to ship a handgun from what I have read between having to file with the postmaster and needing a affidavit signed by the addressee stating the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm and a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official use of the addressee.
Seems it would be easier to use UPS or FEDEX.
FFL01's using the USPS for handguns must be sending the handgun to another FFL01 holder
 
As for a FFL holder using the USPS to ship a handgun from what I have read between having to file with the postmaster and needing a affidavit signed by the addressee stating the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm and a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official use of the addressee.
Seems it would be easier to use UPS or FEDEX.
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The affadavit business is for unusual shipments to LEOs and the like. It's simpler for an FFL to FFL shipment:

http://www.cgwgun.com/shipping/usps.aspx

11.1.6 Certificate of Manufacturers and Dealers

A licensed manufacturer or dealer need not file the affidavit under 11.1.4, but must file with the postmaster a statement on Form 1508 signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms, that the parcels containing handguns (or major component parts thereof) are customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of his or her knowledge or belief the addressees are licensed manufacturers or dealers of firearms.
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We have all posted a lot of info with regards to the OP. I guess we can say the point is mute because of the OP not being a FFL01.
 
I shipped a handgun to Kahr via UPS some months back. It cost me $55 if I recall correctly. Had to inform them it was a handgun and it had to be sent overnight delivery. The women told me they ship a lot of handguns.

Yesterday I shipped a handgun via FedEx. This time it was on the company's dime. It went Priority Overnight.

It is perfectly legal for a non FFL to ship and receive a handgun for repair or custom work.
 
Point of clarification about using an FFL holder to ship for you. It is cheeper if you are selling a gun out of state. If you are sending a gun to a gun smith for customizing or the factory for repair and go through an FFL I believe it has to come back to that FFL holder and they have to log it into their bound book. Meaning to get it you have to fill out the 4473 again. Just FYI!

Dave
 
Dave is Correct on the log out and the log in. If shipped for repair etc mfg returns it to the shipper so in that case shipping youself and having returned directly to you is probably just as cheap as paying for another transfer.
 
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