Shipping handgun

CraigC said:
I'm a little surprised that you're quoting the ATF online FAQ.

Yeah, I know! But, on this particular topic, I have not found a way to prove the legality of shipping to oneself in another state by statutes. So this one, for the moment, all I have is the BATFE statement :D.

Sorry we were so hard on you, Sixer!
 
Nothing. Just like nothing prevents you from going next door and shooting your neighbor in the head for no reason.

Indeed, but there is no excuse for shooting without cause. If you never arrived to the destination where you shipped a firearm to yourself there could be a number of legitimate reasons (family emergency, illness, weather conditions, etc.) So if you did indeed ship a gun to someone posted in your care, and were unable to get there to receive it for whatever unforseen reason... how screwed could you be if it came to the attention of authorities? Of course you could claim that your intentions were good but how well would that go over? I guess if you plan on shipping yourself a firearm, you better make darn sure you will be there to pick it up.

Sorry we were so hard on you, Sixer!

Lol, no worries! I jumped the gun and threw out bad info. I deserved every bit of it :)
 
So if you did indeed ship a gun to someone posted in your care, and were unable to get there to receive it for whatever unforseen reason... how screwed could you be if it came to the attention of authorities?
If you ship a handgun to someone in another state other than yourself, an FFL or a manufacturer you're going to be in a lot of trouble if it comes to the attention of the authorities.

In other words, attempting to circumvent the law by shipping a handgun interstate to someone else but writing c/o yourself on the package is not likely to be an effective means of avoiding prosecution.
I guess if you plan on shipping yourself a firearm, you better make darn sure you will be there to pick it up.
Indeed.

I'm guessing that you could arrange for an FFL to take delivery if you were really unable to do so yourself. At that point they probably would want to ship it to an FFL in your state who would do a transfer to you. Both FFLs would want some money to handle the paperwork required besides reimbursement for shipping fees.

As pointed out a couple of times, if you're not sure you're really going to make the trip then you should probably just put the gun in your checked luggage and comply with the airline's policy regarding firearms in checked luggage.
 
I know someone that shipped a shotgun thru USPS to one of his friends. He toke the barrel out and packed it separetly and the platform was also packed in a different package. There was no problem and the shotgun was shipped back to the sender a couple weeks later. A fine point was made that it should not have been shipped the same day which was done on the return. ;) :eek:
 
I know someone that shipped a shotgun thru USPS to one of his friends. He toke the barrel out and packed it separetly and the platform was also packed in a different package. There was no problem and the shotgun was shipped back to the sender a couple weeks later. A fine point was made that it should not have been shipped the same day which was done on the return.
Disassembling a firearm is NOT a legal way to circumvent shipping laws. The receiver is legally a firearm and is subject to all the laws that affect shipping firearms even if it is shipped all by itself with no other parts whatsoever.

If, for some reason it was legal to ship the shotgun (within the state, for example) then it was legal to ship it fully assembled. If it was not legal then disassembling it absolutely did NOT make it legal.
 
Disassembling a firearm is NOT a legal way to circumvent shipping laws. The receiver is legally a firearm and is subject to all the laws that affect shipping firearms even if it is shipped all by itself with no other parts whatsoever.
YES

HOWEVER...

Disassembling a firearm, shipping everything BUT the frame to your final destination (via good old cheap USPS Priority Mail, if you like), and transporting the FRAME ONLY (so much the better if it's a bare frame) in your locked luggage will go a lot smoother at the check-in counter than trying to ship a complete firearm.

The check-in counter agent and the inspectors see that it is a FRAME ONLY, incapable of being fired, and generally regard it as being innocuous; Meanwhile you have complied with ALL Federal laws, BATFE, POSTAL and FAR Part 121.

Counter agents are working stiffs just like us; Some may not even be aware that a frame is still considered a "firearm" by the Feds and will ask why you are declaring it. You just reply (with an air of confidence and authority) that, even though it is "just a part," it is still technically considered a firearm under Federal law. You may find that some agents will surprise you and agree that it is silly to have to declare it.

It works, and everything goes soooooo much easier.;)

One caveat: Try to keep your bags within view for as long as possible while the TSA guys are rifling through it; Some of them have sticky fingers.
 
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Like 45gunner and I said before, flying with a whole, assembled, DECLARED handgun in your checked baggage is really no big deal. There's enough people doing it that running into issues with TSA or airline employees that are ignorant of the rules is becoming less likely all the time. You can carry a copy of the TSA and airliune rules with you if you're worried about that. I've flown in and out of Bangor, Boston, San Antonio, and Okaloosa numerous times over the last two years and have taken a handgun with me each time and never had a bit of trouble and barely any delay during check-in. In fact, it is much easier, and less expensive, to take it with you than to ship it to yourself.
 
gyvel,

Interesting idea. It is legal, it should work fine and probably minimizes the chances for problems at the airport.

However, as WC145 points out, as long as you follow the airline regulations (it helps to have a printed copy with you just in case) it's pretty simple and hassle free to transport a firearm in your checked luggage on an airplane.
 
I had to ship two guns to Ruger for turned barrels, at different times. I paid the frt on the first, they sent me a mailer for the second. They fixed them no charge. I don't believe it cost me that much even with insurance. It was more like half that amount. I see no reason for it to be air freight. It will be 8+wks before you see it again.
Dick Beaulieu is the manager of the repair in Newport,NH
Hope this helps


Jim
 
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