Shipping guns via Gun Shop?
- Thread starter Mastrogiacomo
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Might I suggest that you do business with your local dealer whenever possible, and not just darken the door when you want a favor. If you deal fairly with your LGS, chances are they will deal fairly with you. If you are generally obnoxious and make it clear that you consider the dealer is out to get you, lotsa luck in asking him to do your shipping for you.
Jim
Jim
carguychris
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The FFL is always required to log the firearm regardless of how long he has it. I think the source of your confusion is that he doesn't have to log the firearm right away.Aguila Blanca said:
Here's the relevant regulations, with my emphasis in boldface and notes in [brackets]):
Minor footnotes:27 CFR 478.125 said:
- The ATF voided § 478.124a effective October 3, 2014; however, the text is still on the books as I write this.
- Paragraph (g) gives the FFL 7 days to record an acquisition if he has a "commercial record"- e.g. a shipment invoice or packing slip- provided that he immediately records the acquisition of such a firearm if and when its disposition occurs within the 7-day period.
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How is asking a FFL to provide a service for you which they are entitled to charge a fee for "darkening" their door? If a particular FFL does not want to do transfer or ship guns for people that's cool. Lots of FFLs do it because they understand its a service which they can charge a fee for an not incur overhead. The last 2 guns I transferred by local guy made $20 a pop for less than 10 minutes of time most of which was spent talking guns!!!
Surely making what amounts to $120 an hour is not darkening his door. My old FFL in WV simply charged me $10 which is the cost of a transfer + the cost of the proper flat rate box with insurance. He made money, the buyer of the gun saved $$ and I sold guns more easily. Everyone was a winner. That FFL and others like him understand that anytime you can get someone in your store and make some $$ you also have the opportunity to sell something else and grow your customer base.Now I am all about trying to purchase NIB guns from your local dealer but far too often for me anyway the local store does not have access to the guns I am looking for. I got my 92S, which was the last gun I transferred, for about what he could have gotten it for and I was guaranteed a LNIB gun where his source could not. Smart FFLs understand that the market has changed and that transfers, out of state private sales and internet sales are not part of the game. Those who do not understand this will not survive unless they has an isolated market. I normally will ask my local FFL what he can do on a NIB gun and if he is lower or within a few $$$$ here or there I buy from him. If he is not competitive he get a $20 transfer. Still a win win IMHO.
I am not sure how you got to this conclusion. The OP simply did not understand that she was going to be charge to re-transfer the gun into her possession since it was already her gun. Simply a misunderstanding.
I don't see how or why you get to such a negative position on this and so many other topics.
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jglsprings
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Like it or not...
Every time my local gunsmith touches the gun - coming in - going out - he charges me a fee.
He is in business to make money and what he decides to charge and on what transactions is his "business".
So I don't move guns through him unless I need an FFL transfer.
I always ask about what to expect on a transaction - even the milk man if we are talking about something out of the ordinary.
Every time my local gunsmith touches the gun - coming in - going out - he charges me a fee.
He is in business to make money and what he decides to charge and on what transactions is his "business".
So I don't move guns through him unless I need an FFL transfer.
I always ask about what to expect on a transaction - even the milk man if we are talking about something out of the ordinary.
AirForceShooter
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Does your gunsmith have you do a 4473 for every gun?
AFS
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spacemanspiff
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To me, a transfer is a transfer is a transfer is a transfer.
Honestly, the entire effort of the gunshop that is completing whatever transfer you want, could be as little as entering the gun and your info into the log, or it could be going thru the effort of boxing it up and shipping it.
If the transfer was from a purchase and you need to complete the 4473 and have it called in to NICS, that does involve a little more effort.
Though after I learned how to do log entries and call NICS, from working part time at my once-favorite gunshop, I was often told to do my own log entry in their book for my transfers and to call NICS myself when making purchases.
Honestly, the entire effort of the gunshop that is completing whatever transfer you want, could be as little as entering the gun and your info into the log, or it could be going thru the effort of boxing it up and shipping it.
If the transfer was from a purchase and you need to complete the 4473 and have it called in to NICS, that does involve a little more effort.
Though after I learned how to do log entries and call NICS, from working part time at my once-favorite gunshop, I was often told to do my own log entry in their book for my transfers and to call NICS myself when making purchases.
I've been shipping handguns back to manufacturers from my local Kinko's - FedEx shop. And the bill has been around $15 if I remember correctly, to include insurance. I did not send the fastest method, however.
The return from Kel-Tec cost me $21.21 (from Springfield it was free due to a recall) and I had to pick up both guns at the FedEx warehouse / shipping center. That was because I was not home to sign for them.
Damn near painless, folks. But then, I do not live in Massachusetts and am not scared to death of the onerous gun laws. Sorry Mastrogiacomo, just calling it like I see it.
Bart Noir
Are you disclosing that it is a handgun/firearm? I can only assume not which is why they have accepted it and why they are not requiring you to ship it overnight. Also by using Kinkos you are using a 3rd party shipper not shipping directly which IIRC is also a violation of FedExs rules.
This will not be an issue unless you have to file an insurance claim. As soon as you say it was a gun and you did not follow the FedEx policy they will deny your claim.
You are breaking the rules of the common carrier FedEx at your own risk even if you do not know you are at risk.
http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rulestariff/prohibited_articles.html
Once you inform them that there is a handgun in the box they will require overnight shipping and the cheapest option will be overnight saver if available.
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WV is right.
Both FedEx & UPS require shipping from a hub, not a secondary location run & owned by non-company people who are contractors or licensees or hole-in-the-walls who accept packages for shipping through either shipper.
Both companies require that you advise their hub employees of the contents when you ship, and both (unless you're a big-enough-volume shipper to work out a separate deal) require expedited shipping.
If you violate their rules, they violate any insurance claim you might need to make on loss or damage.
Denis
Both FedEx & UPS require shipping from a hub, not a secondary location run & owned by non-company people who are contractors or licensees or hole-in-the-walls who accept packages for shipping through either shipper.
Both companies require that you advise their hub employees of the contents when you ship, and both (unless you're a big-enough-volume shipper to work out a separate deal) require expedited shipping.
If you violate their rules, they violate any insurance claim you might need to make on loss or damage.
Denis
dogtown tom
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Kinkos? Where have you been the last ten years?
FedEx bought Kinkos in 2004 and renamed it FedEx Kinkos and in 2008 it became FedEx Office............and ALL are company owned, not a one is considered a "3rd party shipper".
dogtown tom
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Name one of those ways it makes it easier.
dogtown tom
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No kidding.
I posted as much in the "How to ship firearms" sticky at the top of this sub forum.
Really?
The FedEx shipping tariff is below. Where exactly does it prohibit using FedEx Office for the shipment of firearms?
Again, all FedEx Office (formerly FedEx Kinkos) are COMPANY OWNED. Not third party retailers. Not "side-stores" whatever that is.
UPS shipping tariff DOES prohibit using The UPS Store which are franchises (not company owned).
FedEx shipping tariff http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guide/terms/express-ground/index.html
Let me assure you that I fully disclosed to FedEx that I was shipping handguns. To do otherwise would be slightly illegal, I believe, and some of you are actually accusing me of that. Harrummph!
In fact, one employee helped to be re-wrap one of the pistols as my wrapping caused too much rattling around inside the box.
Bart Noir
Who has had nothing but good experiences interacting with FedEx employees. Way to go! [insert lack-of-sarcasm Smilie here]
dogtown tom
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Failure to notify the common carrier is only illegal if you are shipping interstate to a nonlicensee. It is not illegal to ship to a licensed dealer without disclosing the contents.
Please understand that no UPS or FedEx employee can change or alter their shipping tariff........even if he says "Oh, it's okay we ship handguns Ground all the time!". While that's cheaper, if lost, stolen or damaged you wll get nothing on a claim. Why? Because the tariff says so.