Shipping firearms

I'm sure the reason is due to security, as stated. I loaded trucks at night for UPS in college because they pay your tuition, sweet deal btw... They were EXTREMELY concerned with theft. We couldn't wear rings, watches, ect... We didn't get patted down when leaving but they'd look at us and if anything was bulky in our pockets we'd have to empty them. I saw a couple guys get fired for stealing so it's definitely a real concern.
 
Yeah, because UPS has crooks working for them, I have to pay huge shipping fees. Well anyhow, if my gunsmith doesn't fix my gun, I'll try to get it sent off using a licensed dealer.
 
Its fine shipping it with UPS. I worked there back in college and you just dont want to ship it ground. 2nd or next day is fine.
 
Its fine shipping it with UPS. I worked there back in college and you just dont want to ship it ground. 2nd or next day is fine.
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:confused: No it is not. If you are shipping a handgun you need to ship it next day air with adult signature required if you are shipping UPS.

The lowest method that you can send it and stay in compliance with their company policy is Next Day Air Saver......

We go over this just about every month....... :cool:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921,will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).
 
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[sigh] That quote from the ATF's FAQ page is wrong (and they know it is wrong) You need to look up the actual statute. If you ship by common carrier to a FFL or to any non-prohibited person in your own state, federal law does not require any notification. We go over this every few weeks.

If you do not notify UPS and it gets lost, you can bet they will not pay the insurance claim. But there's a good chance they wouldn't pay anyway. (I don't know about FedEx.) You pay your $2 and take your chance.

Why not ship it "2nd day economy air"?

If this were a Ruger or a S&W instead of a Taurus, all this would be moot because they wouldn't require the customer to pay for a warranty return.
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So these are wrong too?

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/federal/read.aspx?id=60
http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.aspx?faqid=1118
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf (pg 9 sec 9e)

From the Statute...

http://law.justia.com/cfr/title27/27-2.0.1.2.3.html#27:2.0.1.2.3.3.1.13
§ 478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.
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(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: Provided, That any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of that trip without violating any provision of this part.


So unless the common carrier's counter jockey is uninformed of his company's policy, they are going to require you to ship it overnight if you tell him/her that the package contains a firearm. If you don't, then you're violating federal law.

Seriously, I rather not stay at Club Fed just to save a measly $30. Like I keep on saying - It's cheaper to use a reasonable FFL and have 'em charge you a fee plus the USPS fees.
 
(a)No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: Provided, That any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of that trip without violating any provision of this part.
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Read it again....
 
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Don't worry, I am not about to ship a firearm without telling the carrier what I am attempting to ship. No gun is worth going to prison, and a felony conviction makes it illegal to own ANY firearms, once you get out. :eek:
 
Don't worry, I am not about to ship a firearm without telling the carrier what I am attempting to ship. No gun is worth going to prison, and a felony conviction makes it illegal to own ANY firearms, once you get out
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It is not a crime to ship a gun without notifying a common carrier unless you are shipping it to a NON-LIC holder... :confused:
 
Except there's no illegality involved in shipping a firearm to a FFL/licensee without notifying the carrier that a firearm is being shipped, as can be clearly seen in the excerpt from 18 USC 9cc that WVsig quoted.
 
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Onward Allusion:....So these are wrong too?
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Yes.
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OMG, I just re-read that sentence 3 times.... The light bulb came on.

"other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,"

It's missing a dang COMMA!

No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped:
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Crazy that all other sites misinterpret it as well...

Learn something new every day! Thanks guys!
 
I am scratching my head. Is it saying a regular person can legally ship to a manufacturer for repair? I was informed I could not ship a firearm (handgun) by U.S. mail. But could do it by a carrier like UPS. But of course they only allow it to be shipped by the most expensive method. Next day air.
 
A non-licensee cannot ship a handgun via USPS.

From the Domestic Mail Manual, DMM 601 Mailability:
12.1.2 Handguns
[11-7-11] Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6, and are subject to the following:

a. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b, and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1g.

b. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without regard to 12.1.3 through 12.1.6.

c. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a that are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable; but must include adult signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.

d. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.

e. Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.
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http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#1198527
 
My interpretation of the stated law is different from most of you and agrees with the other linked sources, including the ATF FAQ at least in regards to interstate shipments.

No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped:
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Onward Allusion, what comma is missing? The way I read the passage as it is punctuated is that with any interstate shipment the carrier must be notified it is a firearm. The part regarding to whom the shipment is going is just reiterating the fact (stated in a different section of the law) that a non-FFL (actually this point is not relevant) can not ship INTERSTATE to anyone that is NOT LICENSED, i.e., manufacturerer, dealer, or collector.
 
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wgsigs, BATF specifically states that one may ship a firearm, interstate, to oneself without going through a licensee. Would that not conflict with your interpretation?
 
Don H, that's true. I was thinking of the section where a transfer of ownership is involved. Of course, sending back to a manufacturer doesn't involve a transfer of ownership either.
 
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