Live brass (primed?), live ammo, primers, powder: IL law is clear that you cannot posses loaded ammunition without a FOID card, but does not address possession or purchase of ammo components. Most out of state suppliers will want to see your FOID card for verification to stay clear of the ISP, but there is no specific restriction.
Here's a novel idea... People not from Illinois have no clue what the requirements are. So we simply don't know. You act like everyone from is from Illinois and understands their bass ackwayds laws. Like what even is a foid? Hence the question.if you do not have a FOID you would have no reason to need brass, if you have a FOID then there would be no need to post this question
Way to treat a guy just trying to do right like a complete horses darriareif you do not have a FOID you would have no reason to need brass, if you have a FOID then there would be no need to post this question
No, the law is not vague regarding the word "ammunition." The law defines the word:nhyrum said:Here's the issue the word "ammunition" is SUPER vague. Even in their definition, heck, they even throw in "by whatever name known". That is intentionally vague and wide sweeping .
The OP is asking about brass, so we don't have to concern ourselves with shotgun hulls or shells, or when a "hull" becomes a "shell." But we do have to concern ourselves with "cartridges." The law defines "firearms ammunition" as "any self-contained cartridge." Since the law does not define "self-contained cartridge," the legal principle is that we go by the dictionary definition. If I go to the Merriam-Webster web site and look up "cartridge," I find the following:"Firearm ammunition" means any self-contained cartridge or shotgun shell, by whatever name known, which is designed to be used or adaptable to use in a firearm; excluding, however:
cartridge noun
car·tridge | \ ˈkär-trij, dialectal ˈka-trij \
Definition of cartridge
: a case or container that holds a substance, device, or material which is difficult, troublesome, or awkward to handle and that usually can be easily changed: such as
a : a tube (as of metal) containing a complete charge for a firearm and usually an initiating device (such as a primer)
b : a case containing an explosive charge for blasting
c : an often cylindrical container for insertion into a larger mechanism or apparatus
d : cassette sense 2
e : a small case that contains a phonograph needle and transducer and is attached to a tonearm
f : a removable case containing a magnetic tape or one or more disks and used as a computer storage medium
g : a case for holding printed circuit chips containing a computer program a video-game cartridge
In the actual law posted above(even in your quote) after saying self contained cartridge, also says, "by whatever name known" so the word cartridge just got thrown completely out the window. Especially for it who have no idea about metallic cartridges, at all. The phase"by whatever name known" is the dangerously vague phrase that will most likely end up being twisted to include any and all reloading components.No, the law is not vague regarding the word "ammunition." The law defines the word:
The OP is asking about brass, so we don't have to concern ourselves with shotgun hulls or shells, or when a "hull" becomes a "shell." But we do have to concern ourselves with "cartridges." The law defines "firearms ammunition" as "any self-contained cartridge." Since the law does not define "self-contained cartridge," the legal principle is that we go by the dictionary definition. If I go to the Merriam-Webster web site and look up "cartridge," I find the following:
The first meaning is obviously the one applicable to firearms ammunition: "a tube (as of metal) containing a complete charge for a firearm and usually an initiating device (such as a primer)." Spent brass does not contain a complete charge for a firearm -- it contains neither powder nor a projectile, and it would take a very devious judge to try to construe a spent primer as "an initiating device," since it is inert.
I think it's very clear that the law simply doesn't contemplate reloading components; it contemplates loaded ammunition. You don''t get to worry about whether or not it's adaptable to be used in a firearm until you first have a complete cartridge.