Sheehan FINALLY gets her reward....

[Rimrock]

orig posted by pipoman Unlike some of his predecessors, GWB Cabinet is one of the most experienced ever assembled.

Hi pipoman! An exit strategy doesn't have to be posted to the world ..you just have to have one. Like anything else...before you go "in" you have to know how to get "out". They never did. Bush "41" didn't commit this error. He and his folks knew that if you topple a dictator as "fused " as this POS was you better have something to fill the void in a hurry. "43" didn't! He was too busy anticipating all the "shock & awe"....the cool fireworks and bombs and stuff.
There was an over simplification of the remedy. Many honorable and accomplished Americans tried to draw a picture for "W" including Kissenger without success.
GHWB was unyeilding, organized, and masterful in his approach to Iraqi.
He also essembled an inpressive coalition who not only fought but picked up the financial tab as well.
What's "W" got to show for the deaths and dismemberments? An inevitable civil war, a deficit to set World records and a restless electorate that's feed up. It's all coming out now or as "W" likes to say "the cows are coming home to roost!" I only hope and pray no other innocents are sacraficed to satisfy the oil addiction to which he's recently admitted.

Rimrock

 

[pipoman]

Hey Rimrock, here we are again.

An exit strategy doesn't have to be posted to the world ..

Exactly, so how do you know there isn't an exit strategy?

you just have to have one. Like anything else...before you go "in" you have to know how to get "out". They never did.

You state this as if it is an undisputed fact?? Personally I don't think it is time to execute the exit strategy, therefore we don't know what it is. Why do people think the Administration should sit down with Katie and Matt and lay out the war strategy on prime time? Just because we don't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The Capitol is our building. We own it, and the folks in it are our employees. They should not be allowed to silence us in our own building.

Well if this is true, if you are a home owner in your county you own more of the County Court House, the Sheriff's Office, and the Schools than you own of the U.S. Capitol. I invite you to go to the above locations and cause a disruption inside. I'll bet you will get a free ride in a police car. You do have free speech, not freedom to cause disturbances in public buildings.

As for holding her until the crowd cleared, they would do the same for any nut job who tried to disrupt this type of gathering. Is she a danger to herself and others? I really don't know. I think she should be evaluated to see.

 

[Rimrock]

Exactly, so how do you know there isn't an exit strategy?

It obvious to most American's regardless of their politics that this "operation" has had many phases most unplanned and unsuccessful. From "Shock & Awe" to the present "Oh S#*t!", the program is reactive rather than proactive. Somehow this thing went from being on the offense to being on the defense...not good!
I agree with most American's that believe GWB thought the object of the game was to pull the statue down. If that's the case he most likely wishes he had declared victory at that point and got on with the American People"s business. History may have found a bit of mercy for him rather than disdain.

There wasn't anyone in this Administration who thought we'd be so polarized as a nation by this "oilarama" as we are today. Three months is now three years and counting. That translates to no plan or at least a terrible plan. As Uncle Dick said "They're in the last throes" Gimme a break, Dick! The closest this guy's ever been to the pain of the battlefield was when he went quail huntin'!
It would seem when this country commits troops to a project like this that we owe it to all concerned to have an objective. An objective includes a plan for "in and out" and some contingency for when it blows up. Cut and run isn't a strategy or a plan. It's what you get when the "peanut gallery" says "enough" because they no longer have faith in the boss or his weggie board.

First it was WMD's, then Saddam's a POS to his people, then these folks deserve to be Americanized, then it was those bad guy insurgents, then the insurgents became the terrorist planning to kill us in our beds. Then it was that darn 911 bunch thriving in Iraq. Now it's "those darn Muslims are screwin' up our war by fightin' with one another...they can't do that!" "We were warin' here first!"
I don't really care what party wins the White House next time provided they actually attended classes prior to graduation.


Rimrock

 

[loggerhead]

original by Pipoman: I invite you to go to the above locations and cause a disruption inside. I'll bet you will get a free ride in a police car. You do have free speech, not freedom to cause disturbances in public buildings.

The wearing of a tee shirt is a "disruption." Had she not been wearing one would have been a "disruption."

The disturbance was by those who took her into custody and escorted her from the place. Had they not done that atleast 90% of those present would not have even know she was there.

Thats Nazi Germany stuff!

 

[pipoman]

Loggerhead

Thats Nazi Germany stuff!

According to Goodwin you just lost. Frankly, I think there should be a TFL rule limiting discussion about Nazi Nonsense comparisons to threads which mentions Nazis in the original post. It is an idiotic comparison only used by those who have no understanding of what Nazi was.

Yes tee shirts and signs can and do cause disruptions. She wore the tee shirt to cause a disruption. Everything she does is an attempt to cause a disturbance or disruption.

Rimrock

It obvious to most American's

I agree with most American's that believe

These are completely inaccurate statements. While you may agree with "other Americans who..." you are living in a bubble if you believe most Americans agree on anything. Maybe most of the people you come in contact with...

Three months is now three years and counting.

Who said this was going to last 3 months? Realists with understanding of the history of warfare understand that the Iraq action has been less bloody than any other war in the history of the World. Those who think this should last 1-2-3 years are the same crowd who complain when their McDonald's burger takes 5 minutes.

First it was WMD's,

Every country in UN Security council agreed, every intelligence agency around the World agreed, Every high ranking Democrat in this country agreed that Saddam had WMD. To state there was none is to deny history. If Saddam would have complied with UN resolutions this would not be an issue, he didn't.

There are plenty of books about warfare and its history. People would do well to take a look.

Hind sight is 20/20, there were few on the left who opposed the Iraq liberation prior to entry. They knew if they opposed and were wrong it would be blamed on them. If GWB did nothing with Iraq and Saddam achieved his stated desire to hurt America everyone on the left would be screaming GWB did nothing. Nothing was done about UBL and look what that got us.

 

[FirstFreedom]

tube ee - well said; Bravo!

 

[magooch]

There is a huge difference between being critical of our government and denouncing the country. Shehan has denounced this country. In my book, she deserves no respect.

Just because people are frustrated because things don't go their way, doesn't give them the right to be obnoxious and disruptive. Well, I guess they can, but it isn't very productive and it loses them more sympathy than they gain.

 

[Republicrat]

Dissent is patriotic.

 

[JerryM]

What was the exit strategy in WWII? Such a thing is a joke, and is something to complain about when you have nothing else.
Our exit strategy is to leave when the Iraq security troops can take over.

Jerry

 

[pipoman]

There is a huge difference between being critical of our government and denouncing the country. Shehan has denounced this country.

+1

Dissent is patriotic.

See above.

 

[carbiner]

When will these anit-war types show DISSENT to the enemy, that is patriotic!

Cindy is obviously very disturbed and needs to get some help.

 

[Al Norris]

Frankly, I think there should be a TFL rule limiting discussion about Nazi Nonsense comparisons to threads which mentions Nazis in the original post. It is an idiotic comparison only used by those who have no understanding of what Nazi was.

Quite frankly, I couldn't agree more.

There seems to be an ongoing elevated comparison of the United States to Nazi Germany. While there may be some valid comparisons to fascism in some political discussions, it is entirely unfair and mostly unwarranted to make that direct jump that we live in such a society.

While it is certainly true that we might find certain aspects of our system troubling and even bordering on fascism, or socialism, it is not true we have reached that "goal," if it may be said to be a goal. Discussions of such are in fact timely reminders of what we should be avoiding.

But the casual mention of the Gestapo, Hitler and/or Nazis for the mere object of shock in a thread, have reached proportions that should no longer be tolerated in civil discussion. Find another way to express your opinion.

Simply because we don't like a particular person, a particular group, a particular law, or a particular action does not mean fascism is the culprit.

Therefore, any thread that I find, wherein a member makes a casual, unrelated or out of context remark that tends to equate the Federal, State or Local governments of this country or the laws by which we operate to Nazisism, will be closed without further warning by me.

Starting here.

Goodwins Law invoked, thread closed.