SF lefties rally for Hezbollah!
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some of my favorites:
Nazi kikes out of lebanon
if hezbollah hides among civilians [israel] must hold fire
our government did 911
the one about bush and freemasons (conspiracy nuts)
the best: capitalism is the disease, revolution is the cure
what do these socialist facists think they're going to change? they make the people on coast to coast am look sane.
Nazi kikes out of lebanon
if hezbollah hides among civilians [israel] must hold fire
our government did 911
the one about bush and freemasons (conspiracy nuts)
the best: capitalism is the disease, revolution is the cure
what do these socialist facists think they're going to change? they make the people on coast to coast am look sane.
tony pasley
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maybe we can get Israel to go after S.F.
Wildalaska
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And you guys wonder why I'm cynical when I have both the left loonies and the right loonie ready to kill me becasue of my heritage, while the balance of folks either blame me for killing their god or think I'm cheap...
Never again. And I only carry a small gun, while some folks who are lucky enough to live as one of the majority carry big ones
WildproudtobeakikeAlaska
Never again. And I only carry a small gun, while some folks who are lucky enough to live as one of the majority carry big ones
WildproudtobeakikeAlaska
bdarin said:
Unfortunately, this is not the case. As I recall from the high school geology class I took, the fault over there is a "strike-slip" fault, and the result is a side-by-side rubbing of the two plates. So I think California is simply moving up the coast (unless I'm mistaken and the movement is in the opposite direction.)
This also is distressing for another reason: It TOTALLY SUBVERTS the plot of the first Christopher Reeve "Superman" movie. Luthor's plan -- for all the smarts he's supposed to have as "the world's greatest criminal mind" -- could never have worked.
-azurefly
Not to pick nits, but I think terminology matters.
You cannot be both a socialist and a fascist. Ask Ernst Rhoem. You can certainly be a socialist authoritarian, but you can also be a democratic socialist. Fascist is not a synonym for authoritarian. Fascism is simply one of many authoritarian ideologies... it's not all of them. It is a specific ideology, and a word with a specific meaning. Misusing it, as so many on both the left and the right do, not only loses the meaning of the word, it blinds us to the dangers of an ideology that killed over 100 million people. It's not a word to be used lightly.
By the way, and off this topic, but "Islamofascist" is so self-contradictory as to be utterly meanginless. No one who wishes to convey any information should ever utter this worthless "word."
--Shannon
You cannot be both a socialist and a fascist. Ask Ernst Rhoem. You can certainly be a socialist authoritarian, but you can also be a democratic socialist. Fascist is not a synonym for authoritarian. Fascism is simply one of many authoritarian ideologies... it's not all of them. It is a specific ideology, and a word with a specific meaning. Misusing it, as so many on both the left and the right do, not only loses the meaning of the word, it blinds us to the dangers of an ideology that killed over 100 million people. It's not a word to be used lightly.
By the way, and off this topic, but "Islamofascist" is so self-contradictory as to be utterly meanginless. No one who wishes to convey any information should ever utter this worthless "word."
--Shannon
Well, Shannon, I admit to being ignorant on this subject. I don't know the "true" meaning of "fascism," and have been "educated" by the media of today to believe that it was synonymous with "totalitarian." I don't know the subtleties of it; and being one with a penchant for semantic and syntactical correctness, I would appreciate it if you would clarify the finer points for us.
And since I have used the term "islamofascist" lately (in apparent -- although as-yet unelucidated -- ignorance), I would be much obliged if you could suggest an alternative that "means what I'm trying to say."
Thanks!
-azurefly
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I feel dirty.
The primary reason that "islamofascist" drives me nuts is that the relationship between religion and the State is totally different. In Fascism, the Church serves the State, as an agent of State power, and is subservient to the needs of the State. I don't think that's what Osama Bin Laden wants. In fact, it just about 180 degrees from it.
ODL and his ilk are theocrats, and by definition therefore are totalitarians. At least, I'm not aware of any free theocracies. But Fascists, they clearly are not. Fascism's ideology had some clearly-defined themes, here are the ones that leap to mind right now:
1. The inate superiority of "the nation" or "the people." This was more racial in Nazi ideology, where for Mussolini and Franco, I think it was more nationalistic. Might be wrong on that one, though.
2. The strong (see #1) not only deserve to rule over the weak, it is their duty to do so. The weaker should support and serve their superior masters.
3. While Fascism was not primarily an economic ideology, it had some economic ideas. Work is the duty of the citizen to the State. (like communism) The work of some is more valuable to the nation than that of others, and the citizens should be ranked accordingly. (not like communism) The economic power of business should be allied with the power of the State, and should be directed towards the glory and expansion of the Nation. If you get rich in the process, that's OK, as long as you do not betray the goals of the State for money, or use your wealth to challenge the State's power.
4. The natural goal and duty of the People and the Nation is to expand, pushing aside the weaker nations and taking their resources and lands. War, and specifically imperial war, is essential to Fascist ideology. In fact, Fascist social organization was all geared to the creation of a war machine, and the soldiers to make it go. Some inspiration was clearly taken from the Spartans, here.
5. Religion is seen as a means of social control. As long as the Church remains subservient to the State, and does not create a rival power base, it's tolerated, even encouraged. The three countries that had Fascist governments all had authoritarian religious traditions. Spain and Italy are heavily Roman Catholic, as was southern Germany. Northern Germany was Protestant, but the churches there had a long tradition of serving the will of the princes and kings.
Yes, "fascist" has come to mean "authoritarian", but it's a squares-and-rectangles kind of thing. All Fascists are authoritarians. Not all authoritarians are Fascists. I'm not trying to be pedantic, either. Fascism is a specific ideology, and one that will reappear. Since I consider it to be one of the most deadly ideologies ever dreamt up by the mind of man, I think it's important to know what it is, and what it is not. The last time it reared it's ugly head, it cost over 100 million people their lives. The way to not have to pay that butcher's bill again is to be able to recognize it when it comes, and kill it then.
I hope I didn't come across like I was trying to slap anyone down. I wasn't.
--Shannon
ODL and his ilk are theocrats, and by definition therefore are totalitarians. At least, I'm not aware of any free theocracies. But Fascists, they clearly are not. Fascism's ideology had some clearly-defined themes, here are the ones that leap to mind right now:
1. The inate superiority of "the nation" or "the people." This was more racial in Nazi ideology, where for Mussolini and Franco, I think it was more nationalistic. Might be wrong on that one, though.
2. The strong (see #1) not only deserve to rule over the weak, it is their duty to do so. The weaker should support and serve their superior masters.
3. While Fascism was not primarily an economic ideology, it had some economic ideas. Work is the duty of the citizen to the State. (like communism) The work of some is more valuable to the nation than that of others, and the citizens should be ranked accordingly. (not like communism) The economic power of business should be allied with the power of the State, and should be directed towards the glory and expansion of the Nation. If you get rich in the process, that's OK, as long as you do not betray the goals of the State for money, or use your wealth to challenge the State's power.
4. The natural goal and duty of the People and the Nation is to expand, pushing aside the weaker nations and taking their resources and lands. War, and specifically imperial war, is essential to Fascist ideology. In fact, Fascist social organization was all geared to the creation of a war machine, and the soldiers to make it go. Some inspiration was clearly taken from the Spartans, here.
5. Religion is seen as a means of social control. As long as the Church remains subservient to the State, and does not create a rival power base, it's tolerated, even encouraged. The three countries that had Fascist governments all had authoritarian religious traditions. Spain and Italy are heavily Roman Catholic, as was southern Germany. Northern Germany was Protestant, but the churches there had a long tradition of serving the will of the princes and kings.
Yes, "fascist" has come to mean "authoritarian", but it's a squares-and-rectangles kind of thing. All Fascists are authoritarians. Not all authoritarians are Fascists. I'm not trying to be pedantic, either. Fascism is a specific ideology, and one that will reappear. Since I consider it to be one of the most deadly ideologies ever dreamt up by the mind of man, I think it's important to know what it is, and what it is not. The last time it reared it's ugly head, it cost over 100 million people their lives. The way to not have to pay that butcher's bill again is to be able to recognize it when it comes, and kill it then.
I hope I didn't come across like I was trying to slap anyone down. I wasn't.
--Shannon
The difference between the left and the right is simple. Both are full of it on a regular basis. The left however likes to claim they're above all of that, that they arn't prejudice or racist like they always say the right is. One only need to look at their rhetoric to see that isn't so. In some ways they're worse.
This is why I find them so disgusting.
This is why I find them so disgusting.
Thread derailed.
Let's agree that we don't like socialists NOR facists.
Here's probably the best definition I ever saw about the political differences:
The far left tends to tell people what to do. They know what's best for you and will make you comply. Wear a helmet, wear a seatbelt, pay all these taxes, give minorities preferential treatment, etc... The far right, in contrast, doesn't want government telling them what to do. You'll hear Cons say, "Hey! The government doesn't know what's best for me, I know what's best for me! They're not going to tell me what to do!" The right wing would rather tell you what not to do. Don't get an abortion, don't marry somebody of the same gender, don't use stem cells in scientific research, don't teach evolution in schools. So when voting this year, just ask yourself, "Do I want the government telling me what to do? Or do I want the government telling me what not to do?"
Of course there are exceptions...
Let's agree that we don't like socialists NOR facists.
Here's probably the best definition I ever saw about the political differences:
The far left tends to tell people what to do. They know what's best for you and will make you comply. Wear a helmet, wear a seatbelt, pay all these taxes, give minorities preferential treatment, etc... The far right, in contrast, doesn't want government telling them what to do. You'll hear Cons say, "Hey! The government doesn't know what's best for me, I know what's best for me! They're not going to tell me what to do!" The right wing would rather tell you what not to do. Don't get an abortion, don't marry somebody of the same gender, don't use stem cells in scientific research, don't teach evolution in schools. So when voting this year, just ask yourself, "Do I want the government telling me what to do? Or do I want the government telling me what not to do?"
Of course there are exceptions...
Azurefly,
Here's the difference between Fascism and Totalitarianism:
Fascists are ambivalent about government control of the economy, but are very rigid about controlling society.
Socialists are very rigid about controlling the economy, but ambivalent about personal freedom.
Totalitarians want to control both.
None of them are friends of mine
Here's the difference between Fascism and Totalitarianism:
Fascists are ambivalent about government control of the economy, but are very rigid about controlling society.
Socialists are very rigid about controlling the economy, but ambivalent about personal freedom.
Totalitarians want to control both.
None of them are friends of mine
MoW , My answer to people like these is very simple, they have the RIGHT TO LEAVE THIS COUNTRY ANYTIME THEY WANT, the people they are supporting in this protest march would be glad to use them for beheading propaganda and such, the people these protestors are supporting have absolutely no love for Americans, and truly delight in seeing these sort of things going on here, they are for the most part watching this and saying look at the fools they think we like them. How disgusting these Americans are, that is if you still consider them as Americans.
I disagree with a lot of what Israel does but they're not "Nazi Kikes". These people don't understand how to disagree with something and still be civil about it. I am horrified at some of the war crimes Israel commits but you also have to look at who they are fighting.......both sides are not innocent. SF needs to just be nuked already.