Sexual Ads

I can tell you that similar ads are now starting to appear (usually in the back of the magazine) in bicycling and backpacking magazines. But not in the photography magazines I read, such as Popular Photography and the like.

Although I have not done a rigorous study, I have also noted these ads in magazines geared towards women, usually for various devices and topical medications being pitched specifically to women. Far more common and blatant are the ads in some European foreign language news magazines that I look at from time to time.

I wonder if this is an increasing phenomenon worldwide.
 
I suppose you can't see the corelation between all the influences you spoke of and the increase in all the behavior that breaks down the family.
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Correlation does not imply causation. I guess that liberal education that taught me scientific research methods brainwashed me into realizing that, though....

Porn is alot like drug addiction, it may start with sports illustrated but ends up hard core if it's available. Same as marijuana is a gateway drug to harder crap.
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Both untrue.

Porn causes adultery and you proved it with what you posted.
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You have a very loose definition of the word "proved" if you believe that.

It isn't prudery it is common sense to keep it from your family as long as possible
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Sexual prudery is fairly new, and US citizens are some of the worst prudes in the first world, always going off about the debilitating effects of exposure to our own biology.
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Oh yea.
 
I suppose you can't see the corelation between all the influences you spoke of and the increase in all the behavior that breaks down the family.
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Sure, I'll give you a correlation:

Any behavior that is considered "improper" in broader society is shunned and demonized. So the people that would be doing it anyway must hide it and become secretive. That's the kind of behavior that damages human relationships.


People raise their kids all different ways, but if a "family values" kid becomes pregnant, they suddenly "have a mind of her own". Some liberal's kid gets pregnant, and it was from "a lack of family values".


Growing up, I knew every kind of kid and every kind of parenting. Kids attitudes about sex and their own sexuality had nothing to do with their parents attitudes, church or exposure to media. Some of the "spare the rod" church kids were tensely having sex, and some of the anything goes kids were biding their time.


Your personal disapproval of certain things as "distasteful" doesn't automatically qualify them as causitive factors in anything.


I hate prudery, not because I want to live in brothel, but because it is inherently dishonest and prejudicial behavior. It is mainly a barrier to fixing societal and personal problems, rather than a guide to damaging behavior.
 
quit making excuses

and acting like "values" are hypocritical, or a bad thing. I was born in the mid/late 50's, and was a teen in the 70's. Been there, done that.

Never inhaled. Yeah, right :rolleyes:

Spent 21 years in the military.

Never cheated on any woman. Period.

Never knocked up a woman. Period.

Never subscribed to Playboy, Penthouse, any of them. Period.

Never collected welfare, never spent a night in jail. Period.

Some might say I've missed a lot in my life. If I were to agree, I'd say that I missed a lot that was worth missing.

If I want ED drugs, they are on TV and the Internet.

If I want to read a magazine that is not filled with ED drugs and "soft porn" then I make my choices of what to buy and what to read.

I vote with my wallet.

Pax, as always, right on.
 
I am a believer that everyone should have the freedom to do as they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's well-being. I also am a "normal", red-blooded American male. I enjoy seeing a beautiful woman. There are some actresses that I drool over. But putting certain material in a magazine that has always been thought of as a family publication is crossing some kind of line.

If I pick up a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, I know what to expect. There is a nearly naked girl on the cover if I was unable to read the title. If I grab a magazine with a jumping bass or an eight point buck on the cover, I do not expect to find adds for sexual videos, pills, or devices.

By the way, I am cancelling my subscrition to any magazine that wants to accept certain advertisements.
 
I'm cancelling my subscription to any publication that has fast food ads.

Fatty foods are killing American families, and pictures of greasy hamburgers don't belong in a magazine that has a picture of a tasty bass on the cover.




You know, all advertising that isn't on topic in a topical magazine is just kind of obnoxious, but not as obnoxious as a truck review in G&A. You're actually paying for off-topic BS then.

What I really found funny in this thread was the suggestion that an ad for a "marital aid" in a women's magazine like Good Housekeeping was somehow inappropriate.
 
All that evil needs to succeed is for decent people to do nothing.
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Having dealt with evil as a side-effect of law enforcement, I can agree with the above soundbite.

It does tend to strike me, however, that labelling an ad for Cialis as evil; or a scantily-dressed woman as evil; or a padded sex swing as evil, tends to trivialize real evil.

Dropping a baby into a pot of boiling water is evil. An ad for Viagra is merely distasteful.

Evil really hopes that you get the two mixed up. Don't.

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You have made some good points. But when one allows a scantily dressed woman to appear in family publication, doesn't that lower the bar, if you will? Doesn't that desensitize the young? Maybe society has gone too far already and all my points are for nothing.

For fifteen years I worked as a public school teacher. I worked with junior high kids. They are exposed to daily stuff that you and I used to sneak into a shed or barn to look at. They are having experiences that we did not have until we were in college or at least out of high school. What has this given us, unwed teenage parents by the millions and all the suffering and crime associated with that.

As I said, I always felt that the gun and hunting world were a counter to that. Ted Nuggent teaches inner city kids how to bow hunt to keep them out of trouble and out of malls. When our magazines start down this path, it will get worse. I will refuse to buy those publications any longer. I am also going to mail my feeling to other companies that choose to advertise in there.

As some have said, the almighty dollar speaks loud and clear.
 
Porn is alot like drug addiction, it may start with sports illustrated but ends up hard core if it's available. Same as marijuana is a gateway drug to harder crap. It isn't prudery it is common sense to keep it from your family as long as possible or at least till they can make a good decision with lots of information on both sides of an issue.
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You seem strangely unaware that your "commonsense" ideas about sex and the "necessity" of protecting people from it are quite uniquely American and that we are among the most prudish people on Earth. Even the British, from whom we have possibly the greatest general cultural influince, don't faint and wet their panties at the idea of nude girls on "Page 3" of their newspapers - something that would cause strokes in any number of Americans.

You might be interested in (or at least educated by)
Sex and Reason, by Richard Posner, Senior Circuit Court Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, and a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School.

Funny you list the size of adultry rate and porn together but you don't see they are related. Porn causes adultery and you proved it with what you posted. Cause and effect of porn and drugs are obviouse if you don't try to hide them with human nature. Like some people use guns in extemes to murder so will the weaklings use drugs and porn for their pleasure.
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Yep they used to stone you to death for adultery Kinda took the fun out of it huh
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Oddly, stoning didn't keep people from committing adultery. :rolleyes:

And in Scandinavian countries, what Americans consider "porn" is much more widely available, and scarcely worthy of comment.

Yes it's their right to do so and it isn't Victorian to say it will lead to no good. Hell even a fool can see the problems we have because of liberty without common sense.
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Actually, it's quite Victorian. And Puritan. And Quaker. And AnaBaptist, and Calvinist, and all those other social misfits who came to America because the religion in Europe at the time wasn't nearly strict enough for them, and because they'd been thrown out of every "respectable" country on the Continent.

Even though I agree with you that liberty requires morality (an attitude we inherited from the Whigs, BTW) that doesn't necessarially mean that nudity indicates a lack of morality.

Dex
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Mr. Sinister,
Those "enlightened" countries you mention also have a teenage suicide rate that is much higher then ours. They also have a major drug problem amongst the young. Of course, drug abuse and sexual explotation are not connected.

Those countries also have a welfare system that puts our to shame. A lot of those liberated kids end up on the public dole for the rest of their lives. Look at our inner city kids for another example of what sexual liberties causes. All those sexual libirties turn kids into psycological messes. Children need to be allowed to be innocent as long as possible. Keeping certain aspects of our lives clear of sexual stuff helps.
 
You seem strangely unaware that your "commonsense" ideas about sex and the "necessity" of protecting people from it are quite uniquely American and that we are among the most prudish people on Earth. Even the British, from whom we have possibly the greatest general cultural influince, don't faint and wet their panties at the idea of nude girls on "Page 3" of their newspapers - something that would cause strokes in any number of Americans.
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I am not fool enough to think anyone can stop gratuitous sex from happening. It would seem though with all the diseases like Aids, Hepititus B ect that we would want our kids to be informed and old enough to make a safe decision about sex. What we do though is take a kids raging hormones and pump them full of sexual inuendo or porn causing kids to get diseases that ruin their life.

Funny you are a person of comparison and you compare a liberal country with ours. Now compare a Muslim country like Iraq where it is jail time for porn or alchohol. Makes us look liberal.:D

Oddly, stoning didn't keep people from committing adultery.
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No it didn't, some people just die to get laid:D

Actually, it's quite Victorian. And Puritan. And Quaker. And AnaBaptist, and Calvinist, and all those other social misfits who came to America because the religion in Europe at the time wasn't nearly strict enough for them, and because they'd been thrown out of every respectable country on the Continent.
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I really don't know which country is more "repectable" than we are but if you say so I guess you have been there to know.

Nudity? yep nothing wrong with natural nudity but to make a porn industry out of it is pure sleaze. IMHO.

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Children need to be allowed to be innocent as long as possible. Keeping certain aspects of our lives clear of sexual stuff helps
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It would seem though with all the diseases like Aids, Hepititus B ect that we would want our kids to be informed and old enough to make a safe decision about sex.
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And there's the problem. The attitude that sexuality is something external, and can be held at bay by pretending it doesn't happen.

Young people are naturally sexual. Sexual material doesn't make them that way. If you expect to wait until your kids are old enough to teach them about sex, you're already too late. Teenagers would discover screwing if they were bricked into a biblical library.

If you don't want your kids screwed up, teach them about sex early enough to not have to invent it themselves. Give them access to condoms, even if you ask them to wait. Make them responsible and you'll get the same in return.

Trying to keep them innocent until they're "old enough" is the easiest way to become a grandparent, or the parent of an AIDS victim.


Puritans had lots of expectations, but they also married much earlier than we do now. So theirs actually made more sense.
 
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With all due respect, you are wrong. The pill came out in the 60's and that was suppose to diminish teen preganancies. Well guess what, it didn't. In the 70's abortion was legalized, again, unwanted teen babies were going to go the way of the dodo bird, again, the opposite happened. The 80's told us to teach kids how to use condems and expose them early to sex and their libido would be held in check. One more time, it didn't happen. Everytime there has been as attempt to liberalize sexual matters with kids, the number of pregnancies went up.

The Amish might be called prudish to the maximum. Their unwed pregnancy rate is almost zero. Lets see, their kids get little or no exposure to smut and depravity. Young Amish men and women do have the normal, natural sexual urges that all teenagers have. But they are not bombarded a million times a day by messages and ads that tell them to go for it regardless of consequences. You might counter that their religion plays a role. Yes it does, but the parents don't have as much worry about messages contrary to their beliefs.

You are right, it is up to the parents to control how and when their kids are exposed to sexual matters. But what the heck is a parent to do when this crap appears in hunting magazines.
 
But what the heck is a parent to do when this crap appears in hunting magazines.
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1. Don't Buy the magazines.
2. Buy the magazines and cut the ads out with scissors and burn them.
3. Organize protests at the front door of the publisher.
4. Tolerate them.

Chances are, your 12 year old son has already found a way to access more explicit pictures anyway.
 
Join the Amish, apparently.


Hunting magazines are one of a million media forms informing your kids about sex. You can't control it, so you'd better come up with a better game plan, or give up ye olde electricity and move to Pennsylvania. Because the Amish are pretty much the only ones doing it.


And you're also confusing cause and effect again. Pregnancy didn't go up BECAUSE of education. Education just didn't slow it down enough. Every generation of this country has been more liberal in its mores than the previous one. This process started in the Renaisance and isn't going to stop anytime soon. Children will keep upping the ante over the last group.

On top of that, children are sexually developing earlier than before, with the onset of first menses as early as third or fourth grade. So you could also try throttling back on the hormones the kiddies get in their non-organic milk and meat.


Point being, this stuff doesn't happen in vacuum, and you can't control it. You can only equip your children to think and provide them with the materials they need to keep out of trouble. I think the first one, since most parents don't have the energy to even converse with their children, is probably the bigger one.
 
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So you are saying that we powerless against the media's sexual bombardment aimed at our kids? Maybe we are. But where does it end?

Hunting magazines should be informing kids about hunting game, not members of the opposite sex.
 
The Amish might be called prudish to the maximum. Their unwed pregnancy rate is almost zero. Lets see, their kids get little or no exposure to smut and depravity. Young Amish men and women do have the normal, natural sexual urges that all teenagers have. But they are not bombarded a million times a day by messages and ads that tell them to go for it regardless of consequences. You might counter that their religion plays a role. Yes it does, but the parents don't have as much worry about messages contrary to their beliefs.
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Hmmmm. You might want to go rent Devil's Playground at your local video store - a documentary about how Amish teenagers, at 16, are instructed and encouraged by their parents to experience and embrace the modern world as a rite-of-passage, [that's as in "trying out sex, drugs, cars, TV, junk food, modern dress, etc., etc."] before deciding whether to dedicate their lives to Amish rejection of modern society, which the Amish feel that one should only choose deliberately and in full knowledge.

And Dex is fine. No need to be so formal.

Dex
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Hey, I think all magazines should be on topic, ads and all. But I don't think that because I have illusions about why teenagers are boinking.

I'm just saying that Viagra is sold there for the same reason GMCs are: They know their audience, and that audience is more likely to buy Viagra and trucks than the readership of Wired. If a significant portion of hunting magazine readers DIDN'T respond to such ads, they wouldn't be there.

Your fellow hunters are the problem. 50 year old, white, conservative males cause those ads to be renewed.
 
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