Sen. Graham VS Police chief

What part am I missing? Isn't a convicted felon attempting to purchase a firearm on a 4473 a FEDERAL felony voilation? Why then should Flynn get his panties in a knot? Isn't it the Feds job to prosecute this type of violation?

And, Owl, no it's not a crime to be a felon ... but it sure is a crime if you're one and attempt to buy a firearm! I'll make the same beef about the mentally ill. Not everyone who is mentally ill (and thus a prohibited person) is incapable of rational thought and the ability of knowing right from wrong. I don't see mental illness as a get-out-of-jail card if you're trying to purchase a firearm.

We can't lock 'em all up. Agreed. Maybe it's time to stop putting non-violent offenders in prison/jail. That said, maybe future prisons shouldn't be so nicely appointed. Not like a Turkish or Mexican prison ... but certainly not even close to the facilities that some of our service men and women have to live in.

But you'ld better do something to them and fix what's broken in the present NICS system before allowing these Federal goofballs to pass more laws which they won't enforce. Or just scrap the whole NICS thing and pretend it's OK and working 100% to keep all the wrong people from getting firearms.
 
geetarman said:
It really makes little difference if existing laws and regulations are not enforced because of budget/manpower constraints. The end result is the same. . .non compliance.
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What it truly opens is the door to selective enforcement by overzealous prosecutors bent on "sending a message" by making examples of a select few.
 
Ahhh, . . . yes, . . . now we cannot have the police doing their job because they don't have enough money.

GIVE ME A BREAK !

Every stinking politician, doctor, lawyer, union member, non-union member, teacher, cook, and janitor is singing the same tune.

Answer: if you can't handle the heat, . . . get your arse out of the kitchen.

Throwing money at problems never settled them, . . . but finding people willing to put in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay is something that is being lost.

And, . . . "NO", . . . Owl, . . . this is not specifically tailored to you, . . . but the money angle you bring up is old, worn out, tired, blah, blah, blah.

People who want to make a difference and do their jobs, . . . do it. The rest sit around and complain.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
all this by the police chief who said "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."

yes I'm sure he is very impartial to the gun debate.
 
^^^ Didn't work out too well in Milwaukee, or in Racine, just a few miles south, or in Madison, a few miles west:



http://www.ammoland.com/2011/10/wis...suit-against-city-of-milwaukee/#axzz2MIXmCgxj

http://forum.gon.com/archive/index.php/t-505013.html

http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=35497


If this happened to me in Milwaukee, I'd relish the opportunity to depose the police chief and then see him in court. Funny though that our local excellent hoster maker is a Milwaukee Police Officer, and thru him I have met many of Milwaukee's Finest. None of them would participate in anything of the sort.


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, and thru him I have met many of Milwaukee's Finest. None of them would participate in anything of the sort.
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That is pretty much the sentiment here in Arizona also. I don't shoot with any police chiefs, but I do shoot with some serving officers. Their view on concealed carry is often 180 out with the chief.
 
I caught Flynn last night on Anderson Cooper 360. His big point was that the formation and evolution of the TSA in response to 9/11 is exactly what we should be doing with gun control in response to Sandy Hook. :eek:
 
There's a thread about Bravo Company refusing to resupply Milwaukee PD with rifles, due to Flynn's antics.

Gotta love it. Not only is a manufacturer refusing to sell, but in this case it's not theoretical - Bravo Company was supposed to sell rifles to Milwaukee.
 
I caught Flynn last night on Anderson Cooper 360. His big point was that the formation and evolution of the TSA in response to 9/11 is exactly what we should be doing with gun control in response to Sandy Hook.
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Yessss, that's what we need, That's the answer. Flynn is a fool. Anderson Cooper 360 is a fool's stage.

What we need is fewer lays, a simpler system.

Really it's crazy, we have laws that say it's against the law to kill someone with an Assault Weapon, whyyy, killing someone to begin with was already illegal. In what way is it worse if they did it with an Assault Weapon or a shoe horn?

And my god, it's also worse if it's a Hate Crime. "Jesus Officer, I don't know why I shot him, I didn't hate him or anything". See, it's somehow worse to take someone's life if you did it because you hated them.

And don't wear body armor while robbing the bank and killing a guard cause that'll get you double. Actually not, but it is a seperate offense.

The guy killed someone, and that's all that matters, all the rest is just a distraction, it's just so much fluff.
 
It isn't illegal to ask a question, Owl.

It is illegal to perjure yourself on a 4473. It is illegal for a convicted felon to knowingly attempt to buy a firearm.

If we can't afford to -at the least- put dangerous felons in prison for trying to buy guns, then we shouldn't look at spending money implementing new laws.
 
Make no mistake, Flynn's purpose was to evade the questions Graham put to him. Flynn is the same chief that made the statement that 7 of his officers were shot with "semi-automatic weapons". The weapons were handguns. Guns not include in the ban being discussed. (at least this time) And Owls comment that he was trying to answer the question is horse cookies.

Flynn is also the police chief that's been recently busted for cooking the books on crime in the community. (Arrest for crime but report a lessor charge.) No wonder he doesn't chase "paper crimes". Makes the stats look bad,

The only thing that actually holding Milwaukee together at the moment is the fact that the county sheriff, David Clarke is at the other end of the spectrum, a no nonsense LEO. He's the one that put out adds suggesting you arm yourself and get training.
 
I agree that a figure or two probably would have satisfied the senator. The fact is though that I respect Flynn more for having stood his ground.

I don't want a man in uniform who withers when being questioned by a politician.
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Flynn is a bureaucrat and more of a political hack than anyone on the senate committee. his entire testimony was political. He has given blatantly false statements on gun issues in the past.

he didn't "whither", he simply evaded and refused to answer a straight question.

And why didn't he answer the questions? The point Graham was smoking is valid. Perhaps if Flynn had been more honest we could have gotten to the question of funding of grabbing and prosecuting people who bounce back as felons when the FBI check comes back?

These high ranking police bureaucrats are not your everyday cop "in uniform" they are part of and in many cases the cause of the problem if gun violence by their scapegoating of legal gunowners in diversion from the real source of gun and other violence -- prior convicted criminals on the streets.
 
True background checks would require an enormous increase in manpower and probably the establishment of a new federal (sub)agency.
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IMO that is the idea/intent of new laws to increase government.
 
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