Seeking Advice re: AR-15 in CT

[JimDandy]

IANAL, and I'm not sure what we suggested was legal. I'm also not sure what we suggested was illegal. What I am sure of, was that what we suggested was the most just- which is rarely legal

 

[wayneinFL]

We're all just expressing opinions, and none of us are lawyers, so it doesn't really count.

I think win-lose is trying to express his view as a matter of law when he is really addressing a matter of risk assessment. He really isn't addressing whether it is legal or not to have the AR in CT. It is illegal, and everyone agrees on that.

He is looking at risk, and he does have a point in that aspect. When you are in a vehicle on public roads, there is a lower threshold for search and seizure than in your home. So while it isn't any more illegal to have a AR in car than a home in CT there is a higher risk of getting caught.

Of course as a matter of law or risk, there still isn't any difference in whether you drive 10 minutes to a police station with an illegal gun or drive 10 minutes to a freer state with an illegal gun.

 

[win-lose]

win-lose stated in post #16:
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While it is legal to sell the gun in another state, it is a felony to try and get it there.
When asked to cite what law would make it a felony, he could not. He back-tracked.

win-lose then said in post #26:
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It does us no good as a community under attack to recommend breaking the law on public forums.
Again, when asked what law it was recommended be broken, he could not cite any law that had not already been broken.

And then win-lose complains that HE is being attacked, when it is he who has contributed the most misinforative and alarmist posts to the entire discussion.

Personally, outside of this one member's posts, I think this thread represents what a firearms community is all about. A potentially serious problem was identified, possible approaches (ALL legal) were thrown out for consideration, a plan was formed, and has apparently been executed.

Problem solved.

Well done, people.

So disent from you is alarmist.... gee where have I heard that argument before.

Let's take this one point at a time...
If the individual was caught with the gun in his car, while in CT, it would be a felony. Period. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU CONSIDER IT TO BE A NEW CRIME. At that point in time it is a felony, to be figured out later by the courts.

Recommending the individual to transport contraband CAN NOT be considered a legal solution. Because the individual was not caught does not validate your solution... only that the universe chose not to be a jerk to this poor guy.

You can argue the likelihood of being caught... to my mind, fender benders, traffic stops, checkpoints, mechanical failures are all reasonably possible events that represent real risk to being caught. Not being caught and being legal are 2 different things.

I am truly glad it worked out for this individual. I am not so glad at how differing opinion was handled in this thread.

Edit: Thank you Wayne.... I was mostly focusing on risk and that to my mind the reward was not worth the risk.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

So disent from you is alarmist.... gee where have I heard that argument before.

Dissent from me isn't the issue. We share (purportedly) a common language so that we can communicate with one another. When one wishes to communicate an idea, one uses words to express that idea. Words have meaning. You posted the following words:

While it is legal to sell the gun in another state, it is a felony to try and get it there.

However, the only felony involved occurred roughly 18 years ago, whenever Connecticut's window for registering that firearm expired. From that day forward, possession of that firearm within Connecticut was illegal. No Connecticut or Federal law in any way prohibits transporting an object from a place where said object may not be legal to a place where said object IS legal.

If what you intended to say is that you would not choose to undertake the risk of transporting it because possession is illegal while within Connecticut, then you should have said that. But you didn't. You made a declarative statement that transporting it is a felony. That statement was incorrect, and it was alarmist.

If the individual was caught with the gun in his car, while in CT, it would be a felony. Period. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU CONSIDER IT TO BE A NEW CRIME. At that point in time it is a felony, to be figured out later by the courts.

Either you were less than clear in your writing, or you do not understand the law. If he were caught with the firearm in Connecticut, it would not be a felony "at that point in time." It became a felony on the date the registration window expired, and it has not changed since then. What you wrote is like saying if you robbed a bank in 2002 and were captured in 2012, your robbing the bank would become a felony in 2012 when you were caught.

When you are putting forth thoughts on a written forum, it is your responsibility to write what you mean in clear English. It's not my job to read your mind. I can only respond to what I see you put on the screen.

 

[win-lose]

Dissent from me isn't the issue. We share (purportedly) a common language so that we can communicate with one another. When one wishes to communicate an idea, one uses words to express that idea. Words have meaning. You posted the following words:

Quote:
Originally Posted by win-lose
While it is legal to sell the gun in another state, it is a felony to try and get it there.
However, the only felony involved occurred roughly 18 years ago, whenever Connecticut's window for registering that firearm expired. From that day forward, possession of that firearm within Connecticut was illegal. No Connecticut or Federal law in any way prohibits transporting an object from a place where said object may not be legal to a place where said object IS legal.

If what you intended to say is that you would not choose to undertake the risk of transporting it because possession is illegal while within Connecticut, then you should have said that. But you didn't. You made a declarative statement that transporting it is a felony. That statement was incorrect, and it was alarmist.

Quote:
Originally Posted by win-lose
If the individual was caught with the gun in his car, while in CT, it would be a felony. Period. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU CONSIDER IT TO BE A NEW CRIME. At that point in time it is a felony, to be figured out later by the courts.
Either you were less than clear in your writing, or you do not understand the law. If he were caught with the firearm in Connecticut, it would not be a felony "at that point in time." It became a felony on the date the registration window expired, and it has not changed since then. What you wrote is like saying if you robbed a bank in 2002 and were captured in 2012, your robbing the bank would become a felony in 2012 when you were caught.

When you are putting forth thoughts on a written forum, it is your responsibility to write what you mean in clear English. It's not my job to read your mind. I can only respond to what I see you put on the screen.

I tell ya what... you manage your risk, I will manage mine. Clearly neither of us will ever see a need to consult the other. I said my piece. For those who found some value in my posts I am glad to have had the opportunity to help... for those who did not, I hope I didn't waste too much of your time. I am done with this thread.

 

[wayneinFL]

Edit: Thank you Wayne.... I was mostly focusing on risk and that to my mind the reward was not worth the risk.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I still didn't say I agreed with your assessment of the risk. I hear of too many people in the Northeast states who try to "do the right thing" and tell law enforcement they're in possession of an illegal firearm, and too often it ends in an arrest.

I'm glad it worked out for the OP.

 

[Al Norris]

And with that, we are closed.