contender4040
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good things in smaller packages.
Try a beretta 950 in .22 short.
Try a beretta 950 in .22 short.
seeking 22lr pocket auto
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trapshooter
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Jody..
I would guestimate the PP in .22lr at 10-20% larger than the TPH, although I'm working from long memory on both. Obviously, I know the PP in either caliber is larger, as I believe I said that. As far as the TPH being thinner in the grip than a M21, heck, beats me. My memory isn't that good.
Now, is the PP a 'pocket' gun? Guess that is determined by the size of your pocket. There are very few true 'pocket' guns I would carry, as I don't like derringers, and most of the rest have I have caliber issues with, or the available offerings are of low quality. Anything in .22lr is better than nothing, when you need it. But I never cared for being under-gunned.
I have a M21. Don't really care for it, but it shoots, and it is pretty dang small, when that is important. The .22lr PP I had was ten times the gun, quality wise, and was certainly far more accurate. Put them on the table with any TPH, and I'll take the PP. Why? Because I like it. Nothing more. But if you put a PP, PPK or PPK/S in .380, I'll take any one of them first. Put down an AMT B/U in .380, I'll stick with the PP, 22 and all, and would take the TPH rather than the AMT. All this stuff is relative, and gets down to what one likes, shoots well, and is comfortable with.
By the way, I did some checking. The PP is an inch and a half longer than the TPH, and weighs 682 grams vs the TPH at 396. Like I said, a bit bigger, and yep, it's heavier, but not even two times so.
I would guestimate the PP in .22lr at 10-20% larger than the TPH, although I'm working from long memory on both. Obviously, I know the PP in either caliber is larger, as I believe I said that. As far as the TPH being thinner in the grip than a M21, heck, beats me. My memory isn't that good.
Now, is the PP a 'pocket' gun? Guess that is determined by the size of your pocket. There are very few true 'pocket' guns I would carry, as I don't like derringers, and most of the rest have I have caliber issues with, or the available offerings are of low quality. Anything in .22lr is better than nothing, when you need it. But I never cared for being under-gunned.
I have a M21. Don't really care for it, but it shoots, and it is pretty dang small, when that is important. The .22lr PP I had was ten times the gun, quality wise, and was certainly far more accurate. Put them on the table with any TPH, and I'll take the PP. Why? Because I like it. Nothing more. But if you put a PP, PPK or PPK/S in .380, I'll take any one of them first. Put down an AMT B/U in .380, I'll stick with the PP, 22 and all, and would take the TPH rather than the AMT. All this stuff is relative, and gets down to what one likes, shoots well, and is comfortable with.
By the way, I did some checking. The PP is an inch and a half longer than the TPH, and weighs 682 grams vs the TPH at 396. Like I said, a bit bigger, and yep, it's heavier, but not even two times so.
RAY WOODROW 3RD
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contender4040 is correct.....
good things in smaller packages.
Try a beretta 950 in .22 short.
I have one that I love to death and I would trust it completely. Picked up a shoulder holster (yeah I said shoulder holster) for it. Talk about concealed carry!
good things in smaller packages.
Try a beretta 950 in .22 short.
I have one that I love to death and I would trust it completely. Picked up a shoulder holster (yeah I said shoulder holster) for it. Talk about concealed carry!
Tropical Z
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FEG-SMC 22
The size of a Makarov,and very well built.
About $150.00 in hand.
The size of a Makarov,and very well built.
About $150.00 in hand.
Phoenix Arms HP-22
I'll go ahead toss another vote for the Phoenix Arms HP-22. I put 3500+ rnds through it before the frame broke at the cross-pin bar. Yeh I know, you think I would be sour about it. But Phoenix Arms has really decent Customer Service and the replacement they sent back is functioning great (then again I have only put 1000 rnds through it).
Definitely an inexpensive plicker. You might want to look at Gunbroker and Auction Arms.
I'll go ahead toss another vote for the Phoenix Arms HP-22. I put 3500+ rnds through it before the frame broke at the cross-pin bar. Yeh I know, you think I would be sour about it. But Phoenix Arms has really decent Customer Service and the replacement they sent back is functioning great (then again I have only put 1000 rnds through it).
Definitely an inexpensive plicker. You might want to look at Gunbroker and Auction Arms.
Badger Arms
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Walther TPH is NOT that small and light.
5.3" long, 3.7" Tall, 14.5 oz, 2.8" barrel
4.9" long, 3.7" Tall, 11.8 oz, 2.4" barrel, 1.1" thick
No mention of how thick the Walther was anywhere.
5.3" long, 3.7" Tall, 14.5 oz, 2.8" barrel
4.9" long, 3.7" Tall, 11.8 oz, 2.4" barrel, 1.1" thick
No mention of how thick the Walther was anywhere.
Caliber: .32 AUTO
Weight unloaded. 6.6 oz. 186g
Loaded magazine 2.8 oz. 81g
Length 5.1" 129mm
Height 3.5" 89mm
Width .75" 19mm
Sight radius 3.8" 96mm
Muzzle energy max 200ftlbs 240J
Capacity 7+1 rounds
Trigger pull 5 lbs 23N
This is smaller, and lighter and more potent (50% bigger)! I hope i could come acroos one of these, would buy it in a snap!
Regards,
New_comer
PS: Oh, it's not a .22... sorry
Jody Hudson
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Raider,
If you know who the cop is who wants a TPH. Have him write me. I have a blue one for sale that has had some smithing done and is excellent!!! Accurate, decent trigger, dehorned a bit, stronger springs, etc.
MrJodyHudson@earthlink.net
If you know who the cop is who wants a TPH. Have him write me. I have a blue one for sale that has had some smithing done and is excellent!!! Accurate, decent trigger, dehorned a bit, stronger springs, etc.
MrJodyHudson@earthlink.net
Well, since it's 'show and tell' time...
Gun--------L-----W-----H
MK9-------5.3---.90---4.0
Bobcat---4.9---1.1---3.7
Tomcat---4.9---1.1---3.7
KelTec-----5.1---.75---3.5
KelTec: 32ACP
Beretta .22, .25 or .32
Kahr: 9mm, anything you feed it, including +P
You do the math.
Walther P99, Kahr MK9, Beretta Tomcat:
http://www.gothammarketing.com/rck/kahr.htm
Gun--------L-----W-----H
MK9-------5.3---.90---4.0
Bobcat---4.9---1.1---3.7
Tomcat---4.9---1.1---3.7
KelTec-----5.1---.75---3.5
KelTec: 32ACP
Beretta .22, .25 or .32
Kahr: 9mm, anything you feed it, including +P
You do the math.
Walther P99, Kahr MK9, Beretta Tomcat:
http://www.gothammarketing.com/rck/kahr.htm
I have a Walther PPK/s, a TPH and a Daewoo knock off of a PP all in .22. The PPK/s is very picky about its ammo and loves to be clean. After three trips to the smith, the TPH is just right. What a gun, accurate and reliable it can go anywhere. The Daewoo has never missed a beat and has about 3000 rounds through it. Its much more reliable than any Walther I have owned (5). The TPH has not missed a beat in the last 800 rounds. As has been said before, if you can find a good TPH, don't let go of it.