Scumbag Dems "boo" Boy Scouts

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Hey Paratrooper, I used the adjective because I did not assume that anyone would automatically know that pig ain't kosher to some. I pretty much asume you are correct that kosher pig does not exist. But...

Genetic engineering has already produced novel species of plants and animals. Could it result in the production of kosher pork? It
may be possible to produce kosher pigs by introducing the physical traits which are defined as kosher. Pigs are treif, or
non-kosher, based on the biblical requirement that kosher animals must have split hooves and chew their cud. While pigs do have
split hooves, they do not chew their cud. If that species could be genetically engineered in such a way so that it would begin to
exhibit all traits required for kashrut, would observant Jews be allowed to eat the meat of that transgenic pig?

Imagine the culinary possibilities of kosher bacon, ham and pork. Then again, we may not want to imagine that. The idea of eating
pig, even kosher pig, may not sit well with the kosher consumer. Kosher pork may go the way of gevina-burgers. On the other
hand, perhaps Moo Shoo Kosher Pork will become the latest rage at kosher weddings and bar mitzvahs and take its place
alongside the sushi bars and caviar.

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Dr. Miryam Z. Wahrman is Director of General Education and Professor of Biology at William Paterson University of New Jersey
in Wayne.

Yes, You are correct. No Kosher pig today. Non Kosher is synonymous and redundant.
 
Boy Scouts introduced me to the shooting sports when I was 11 years old. I got to shoot a single shot .22 rimfire rifle and single shot 20 gauge shotgun at a "long term" summer camp in the Eastern Sierras.

I've been hooked since. Hmm, maybe those Demo's have a point, I'm gonna sue those evil Boy Scouts for getting me addicted!! :eek:
 
BTW- The United Way of America maintains "Partnerships" with numerous organizations, including the Children's Defense Fund, which is a strong proponent for gun control legislation. UWA's website is being re-vamped (limited info ATT) and the CDF is the only group that I can remember from my previous research.

My company pushes UWA participation in a big way, but not without violating the UWA "non-coercion" policy. I give nothing. When people ask me why, I tell them. I try not to use the word "communists", but... :)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kevinw:
Ok.. First off I feel that the The Boy Scouts banning Gays from the organazation was a pathetic and shameful. I for one pulled my support when they did it.

THier choice to do this was no different than if they decided that Asian people should not be allowed in. If you go by thier mindset here then no women should be allowed to work for the program either. [/quote]

Kevin, I disagree. Not only is homosexuality morally wrong and unnatural, but I would expect the Boy Scouts to oust ANYONE (men and women of any sexual orientation) who did not meet the morally straight guidline of their oath.

Sexuality has nothing to do with ethnicity.

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John/az2:
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Not only is owning a gun morally wrong and unnatural, but I would expect the United States to oust ANYONE who did not meet the morally straight guidelines of their oath.

Not only Black people morally unnatural, but I would expect the Boy Scouts to oust ANYONE who was not just like them.
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*Disclaimer The above is not how I feel. It was just to point out the idiocy of John/az2's argument*

You my friend have no right to tell anyone what is morally right or wrong. I am a Christian, in fact I am very strong in my faith. But I see nothing morally wrong with someone being gay. And if God has a problem with me believing that then he can take it up with me directly.

I can tell you for a fact that there are gay people on this board. More than you may think. Are you now going to condemn them also? Hatred of gays is just another form of... well hatred. No better than KKK member who hates blacks, or some backwater SoB that thinks women should not leave the house. It is a narrow minded way of thinking that blinds you to the real world. And it pisses me off.

I am strait as a guy can get but I have more gay or Bi friends than I do strait friends. And I would defend them till the last. In fact most of them have dome more to earn my respect than 95% of the people here. You can take your Morally wrong and unnatural BS and point it where it belongs. At the people that would take away our rights. Because I have a Newsflash for you. Gay people are no different from us. Just like black people are no different. In fact they have a lot in common with us. Hated by a group of people that are to narrow minded and blinded to the real world for their own good.

Yeah I know this is a lot more rude than I normally am. Well let me tell you all something. You might as well have made a post that said black people have no right to live in the United States. Because to me it is no different. As I sit here I have a very good friend sitting next to me, she just read this thread. She is angry. Why? Because she is a lesbian. She is also a converted anti who hated guns less than a month ago and is getting her first gun this weekend. I had her ready to come to the boards and say Hi. Now she won't because she is afraid she might slip up and will be insulted by people like John/az2. So am I pissed. Oh yeah I am pissed. And some people need to open their eyes and realize that they are no better than the Anti's we bitch about every day. And they need to do it before they are backed into a corner with no escape.

So I ask you all. Come here. Come up to Shelly and tell her she is immoral and unnatural. Say it to her face. Then I dare you to get to know her. It makes me wonder how many possible allies we turn away every day because of misguided opinions like this.


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I am sorry if this seems like a flame it is not intened to be. But some things have to be said.
 
Kevin,
You said to John: "You my friend have no right to tell anyone what is morally right or wrong. I am a Christian, in fact I am very strong in my faith. But I see nothing morally wrong with someone being gay. And if God has a problem with me believing that then he can take it up with me directly."
Kevin, if you are a Christian you are an uninformed one who does not know the Word of the God you claim to know. He has made it so clear that you can only misunderstand if you are determined to be blind to the truth. Homosexuality is an abominable sin. If you would like I will copy & paste the specific scriptures. Since it is a sin you are to have no fellowship with those who practice sin. Ephesians 5:11  "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Consenting to them,and approving of them is contrary to the character of Christians. It is not John who says it is wrong to be homosexual. It is God who has said it. This is honestly not meant to flame, but I must say that you can't be strong in the faith and not know and obey the Word of God. It is our duty to point out those things that God has said are morally wrong. Regards, Jerry

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Ecclesiastes 12:13  ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
Interesting to hear about the United Way's stance with the Scouts now. I just had a conversation with my manager at a large, 3 letter acronym, computer company who asked me to be the canvasser for our departments charitable contribution campaign. I explained to him that I had not participated in the program for years due to one of the organizations(UW) our company partners with in the campaign. He said he understood but then asked if that got in the way of being the dept. rep. I tried to explain that the logical extension of my opting out of the program precluded me from actively encouraging fellow workers to participate in something I found to be morally disagreeable. He finally got it but I'm not sure of my job status now, as one never knows what happens after declining a 'volunteer' request. So be it.
 
JerryM no flame taken. But here is my point. THe bible was not written by God. It was written by man. Those writtings were then taken by the chruch and edited. Yes thats right they were edited. Why was this done? Because they wanted to use it as a control tool. The snipped one thing here or changed this word slightly, etc, etc. Therefor while the Bible is a good guide, you can not take anything in it at face value. I know a bit more about it than you give me credit for. And untill God or one of his prophets comes to me and says that Homosexuality is a sin as you claim then I will defend them to the likes of you and any other.

The bible also states that it is a sin to take a life. How many people on this board have taken a life? IN combat or in self defense. I am betting more than one. Will you now condemn them also. This is the prime reason I feel the church needs to be smacked upside it's collective head.

Oh and where did I get my heretical information? A very long and thought out talk I had with a Bishop. Yep thats right. One of Gods choosed told me that very thing. THe bible was created for the express reason of controling the population at the time and getting them to do only what the church leaders wanted them to do.
Interesting isn't it.. Is prostitution(sp) a sin? If so then Jesus himself, the son of God, was friends and possibly lovers with a sinner..
I do not follow anything blindly. Neither man nore the Church. I learn. I study.. The church is wrong on many things. If you have ever used a condom you have sinned.. If you have ever been on birth control you have sinned.. I could go on but you get the point..

I do not want this to get into a huge debate on the boards that could easily turn into a flame fest. Coinneach would come to indiana and turn me into a stuffed trophy. So If you want to debate this further feel free to email me on it. But lets get back on topic..

Democrats are crap. They would attack the children they scream about defending. And they would do it because of the actions of people hundereds of miles away. God help us if they win.
 
Kevin,
I don't intend to flame anyone. Your information about the Bible is very incorrect. As to the Old Testament the Jews held the Word in sacred trust and were careful to copy and preserve it accurately. It must be admitted that Hebrew numbers are difficult to transcribe and there may be some disagreement as to the numbers in a few places. However there is no item of doctrine or practice or history that is compromised. The New Testament originally contained the Apocrypha. The Church determined that those books did not meet the criteria to be included in the canon. The NT books were written by an apostle or someone close to an apostle such a Luke or Mark. Peter himself makes the statement: 2 Peter 1:20  "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." The Bishop with whom you spoke was grossly in error. It is a tactic of Satan to make people doubt the Word of God. He did that in the Garden of Eden and continues to deceive men, sometimes through those who profess to be God's people, but who are not. The Lord said: Matthew 7:15  "¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Paul told Timothy: 2 Timothy 3:1  "¶This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Note especially verse 5.
Nowhere does the bible state that it is a sin to take a life under any circumstances. It is murder that is sin. God told the Israelites to kill the people in the cities which He directed them to conquer. Consider also Exodus 22:2  "If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. 3  If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft."
Your statements regarding the Lord Jesus are outright heresy and blasphemy and are so much so that I will not even respond to them except to say that the sinless Son of God, the God Man, was without spot or blemish.
Here is a question. If you do not believe the Bible on what do you base your belief that you are a Christian? How do you know what is right? Before you say that your conscience tells you, be aware that man's conscience is seared by sin and that there are tribes which believed that headhunting and cannibalism were right, and their consciences were clear. Kevin, please examine yourself in light of the absolutes of Scripture. You will see that you are not born again. No born again believer could make the statements you have made. However, Christ can forgive even those if you go to Him in faith confessing your sins and trusting Him as your Lord and Savior. Regards, Jerry

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Ecclesiastes 12:13  ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

[This message has been edited by JerryM (edited August 19, 2000).]
 
Regardless of one's position on gays, scripture, etc...those are tangential issues, and not at all germane to the original thread.

What is germane:
1) The Dems asked the ES to attend/address the convention, not the other way around
2) The ES reps in attendence were children, not the adult executive controlling authority of the ES organization
3) The children were the ones insulted and disrespected.


Thus, the Dems should be censured/chastised and have their collective noses rubbed in the excrement of their hypocracy....so much for the hallowed "for the children" mantra.
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With all this agrivation concerning gays in The Scouts I have a small question . Why doesn't the zoo let all the animals congregate together ? They do it in the wild . So maybe a few get killed and eaten in the process it is the way of the wild . But of course one of those preyed upon happens to be your child then you may take a personal interest .
The zoos keep animals separate since some are natural predators and the small and weak must be protected . Protecting yourself in a dangereous situation is the same as protecting your children from a POTENTIALLY dangereous person . I am not saying that a gay Scoutmaster WOULD ever do anything to a young Scout I am saying they are more prone to do it . How many people here left their M-14 or M-16 behind at the Fire Base since the area they were patroling was secure ?
Even the Gov't said Thalodamide was safe . Can you say OOPS!!!? It's merely a precaution . I support the Boy Scouts position for the same reason I lock my car at night .

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I don't want to get into the religious aspects of this, just the polical and practical. The kids should not have been humiliated after having been invited. Certainly someone from the CA delegation knew the Scouts were going to be there and could have objected before the plans were finalized.

The Scouts are a private organziation. They can do whatever they want.

I have several good friends who are gay or lesbian, and it makes no difference to me. However, when I was an Explorer Scout, I was sexually assaulted by a gay troop leader. (It ended quickly when I punched him in the face). I quit the Scouts and never told anyone. Perhaps that has shaded my views on this subject.

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Where do you get your mistaken info that the Bible has been edited enough to change the meaning? Prove it. My pastors, many of which are friends, study the Bible in it's original context. They have to learn Hebrew, Latin and Greek and study the Bible as it was before any English tranlsation. They study the Bible before there even was a church. So, your claim that the Bible was altered by a church is wrong...the Bible, in it's original and current translation far predates any Church.
I also have a Bible translator, and guess what, the only changes are where there are no english words to describe a foreign word, and they have to use the closest word they can find (one word out of a scripture, and it does not change the overall meaning).
I think you are full of it when you say that the Bible has been edited and changed for the church. Give me proof. The dead sea scrolls show the Bible word for word is the same now as it was thousands of years ago. When the people translated the Bible by hand many thousands of years ago, they would hand copy it for months. If one word did not match up, they threw away the entire thing and started over. Every single copy of the Bible so far found, all the way back to the dead sea scrolls and beyond, has shown the Bible to be the exact same context, not one word of the current Bible has been altered from the original, and it clearly says in numerous places that homosexuality is an abomination before God. Where do you get off saying slanderous things like that when you don't even know what you are talking about?


Furthermore, that Bible does not say it is wrong to take a life, it says it is wrong to murder.


BTW - Homosexuality and religious values have nothing to do with RKBA. If your friend is a lesbian and wants to support RKBA, then it is no issue here. There are a wide variety of people that support RKBA, from all walks of life, and most certainly everyone on this board is NOT Christian. Do not let a homosexual be turned away from RKBA due to the fact that a few RKBA supporters have certain religious values. The two are not connected.
Furthermore, there are many sins laid out in the Bible, and homosexuality is just one of them. Fornication, adultery, thievery, lust (looking at porn on the internet) and many others are all sins and all deserve repromand. I am sure that %95 of the people on this board continually and willfully engage in sin in one way or another (the other %5 still sin, but only not so willingly and premeditated, as a lifestyle). So, homosexuals are little worse off than any other willful sinner here, but it is our duty to tell people when they are sinning so that they can hopefully find the Light. It would be wrong for us to sit and let people engage in a blatant lifestyle sin and not let them know that what they are doing is wrong.

But, for some reason in this age it is so frowned upon to have any moral conviction over anything, and it is so wrong to have belief in any "right and wrong" that we are supposed to accept sin and pretend it is okay.


Ps- you want to have no flame war but you are claiming that Jesus slept with a prostitute? What Bible are you reading, the Hollywood translation?




[This message has been edited by CassandraComplex (edited August 19, 2000).]
 
What the people at the Convention did was despicable.

DC nailed the problem.

As an aside, I back the Scout's position woleheartedly. I was never a Scout, but a bunch of of used to camp with a Brooklyn troop up in the "wilds" of northern New Jersey. A couple of my non-scout buddies were paid a "visit" by the gay Scout leader. Putting these people in charge of young boys is like putting a drunk in charge of a liquor store.
 
A few points,
-kevinw, ignore john/az2 he is one of those members of the Religious Reich who just can's stand anyone who shows the slightest bit of tolerance to anyone who does not agree with his religous hang-ups. If he had his way jack boots would be part of the BSA uniform.
-A gay scoutmaster does not present any danger or risk to the scout troop. Neither does a bisexual scoutmaster or a black scoutmaster or a scoutmaster who is a witch.
-Their is no worldwide prohibition against atheists or homosexuals participating in scouting, only the Boy Scouts of Amerika has this rediculous prohibition. If there were, their would be no boy scouts in India, Buhtan, China, Tibet, Japan, Nepal, or anyother nation where the predominate religion is not monotheistic.
-The Boy Scouts of Amerika brought this whole issue upon themselves.
 
This is a private group that has a fundamental right to "choose" their leaders and for that matter, anything else. No one has the right to tell them who they will associate with. If a person doesn't agree,they are free not to associate and start their own group. Enough of this "group rights crap!
"When this country was founded,it had this radical bill of rights giving power to the individual......" SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
 
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