Scotland in grip of 'weapons culture'

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This is somewhat amusing - and interesting at the same time. It is a bit subtle, but does have a purpose. I'd like to know what
The bill will also improve the police's powers of arrest for such offences
means exactly.

(BTW: The beer glass has been perhaps the most common "ad hoc" weapon in the history of modern Britain ....)
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http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=660102005
Scotland in grip of 'weapons culture'
MICHAEL HOWIE

SCOTLAND is in the grip of a deepening weapons culture, police warned yesterday, as new figures revealed an increase in the number of knives, baseball bats and other potentially lethal items being carried in almost every part of the country.

Statistics obtained by The Scotsman show that the number of people arrested for possessing offensive weapons last year increased in all but one police force area.

Knife crime has long been seen as a particular problem in Strathclyde, but latest figures suggest the carrying of weapons is now spreading more quickly outside the Central Belt, with Tayside, Fife and the Highlands seeing a surge in offenders.

Offences across Scotland totalled 9,374 in 2004-5, 3.5 per cent up on the previous year's figure of 9,058.

Senior police officers said part of the rise could be explained by more targeted searches, for example outside nightclubs, but admitted an increase in recent years of weapons being used and carried in the streets showed little sign of abating.

Officers are now reporting a surge in the use of "impromptu" weapons such as belt buckles and pint glasses in towns and cities, their use fuelled by alcohol, as well as a steady increase in the carrying of knives.

Police in Tayside, which has seen the biggest rise in offensive weapons - 39 per cent - say they are seeing the "creeping return" of knives being carried on the streets, following a high-profile crackdown in the mid-1990s.

Chief Superintendent Ian Alexander said police were now intensifying efforts to catch young people carrying weapons.

In Dundee, an intelligence-sharing scheme has been launched by police and the council which has resulted in nightclub banning orders being slapped on young troublemakers, while door staff are carrying out more searches. But Ch Supt Alexander added: "In the city centre, quite a few young females are carrying knives into clubs on behalf of young men because they don't think they'll be searched. Some are also carrying knives for their own protection.

"In general terms across Scotland there has been a creeping return to the carrying of bladed weapons.

"There's definitely a need to reduce the availability of knives. We have had a significant number of murders where people have gone and bought horrendous hunting knives with seven-inch blades.

"I cannot see any legitimate need for anyone in Scotland to be buying knives like that. It's not as if we have grizzly bears in this country."

Mr Alexander said a disturbing recent phenomenon was the use of belt buckles as weapons.

"We are seeing that a lot on CCTV. You find people involved in a disturbance outside a nightclub, and one of them takes off their belt, wraps it around their hand and lashes somebody with the buckle.

"The majority of serious assaults are now involving either belt buckles or bottles and ashtrays smuggled out of clubs.

"It's very much what they can lay their hands on at the time."

Four out of Scotland's eight police forces separately tally the number of knives carried in public places, and each one saw a year-on-year increase in the offence.

The biggest rise in 2004-5 was in Tayside, which saw a 49 per cent increase, followed by Fife (22 per cent), Central (17 per cent) and Strathclyde (0.5 per cent).

Tom Buchan, the president of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents, said more people were carrying weapons on the streets of Scotland's towns and cities.

"What this appears to be is evidence of a growing weapons culture in Scotland.

"There is a widespread acceptance of a greater propensity for young people, predominantly male, to carry weapons.

"It is not always just knives and other bladed instruments; people are using bottles, glasses, anything they can get their hands on.

"You also have young people drinking more, which makes them lose their inhibitions.

"But there are a range of factors behind this. If you throw more resources at the problem, or target them better, the figures will rise." Mr Buchan said he supported proposed new legislation to double punishments for people caught carrying knives.

"Even if it doesn't lead to a significant rise in convictions, it sends out a powerful message that this is a 'no-no'."

Kenny MacAskill, the SNP justice spokesman, said: "Part of the increase can be down to more proactive policing, but this is a cultural problem which cannot be addressed by criminal justice measures alone.

"A visible police presence, strict enforcement and severe punishment is necessary, but we need to educate our youngsters in particular that weapons are not tolerated, and cause death and hardship.

"Scotland has to take a long hard look at the bevvy culture as well as the knife culture. The two go hand-in-hand, causing mayhem in many areas, particularly at weekends."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said ministers were "concerned" at the high levels of violent crime involving the use of knives and other offensive weapons.

"Clearly too many people, particularly young men, view the carrying of knives as acceptable, when it is not. Following our Partnership Agreement, we have been undertaking a review of knife-crime law and enforcement in Scotland and in November the First Minister announced a five-point plan to tighten the law in this area.

"The carrying of long, pointed knives (including kitchen knives) in public is already an offence and we now intend to double the current maximum penalty from two to four years in the forthcoming Police Bill.

"The bill will also improve the police's powers of arrest for such offences and raise the minimum age for the sale for knives from 16 to 18. We will be also shortly be consulting on proposals for further restrictions on the sale of non-domestic knives and swords."
 
Clearly to many young people are making fists and battering each other with them. At this point the police intend to arrest anybody they see clenching there hands as if to use them as a blunt force weapon. Of course closing your hands while pocketing them has long been considered a concealed weapon and severe charges will be brought against those found to posses any concealed weapon.

A study of shoes as weapons has also recently begun. Some say that a shoe just might be the among the most dangerous of weapons. There are some groups forming now to ban shoes completely.


AARRRGGGGHHHH
 
Ban elbows! They're among the most devastating weapons known to man, and no honest man needs arms that bend in the middle.

Straight arms for the children! Frankenstein's Monster and The Mummy agree.
 
My gawd, but that is the funniest Dave Barry piece I've read in a long time! :D



(There is also the disturbing alternative that it is not a Dave Berry spoof, but an actual news article from across the pond, which would indicate that cud-chewing Eloi have nearly completed their takeover of formerly-Great Britain. The near-hysterical hand-wringing over freakin' belt-buckles and ashtrays (!), as well as the line ""I cannot see any legitimate need for anyone in Scotland to be buying knives like that. It's not as if we have grizzly bears in this country," are especially poignant... :( )
 
Carry a big knife for a grizzly bear - now that's an interesting suggestion.

The UK soon will ban all things sharp or long and hard - oh, never mind. ;)
 
"I cannot see any legitimate need for anyone in Scotland to be buying knives like that."

What about...

Some are also carrying knives for their own protection.

Ooops... that's right, this is the UK we're talking about, where interfering with the livelihood of the poor muggers, murderers, junkies and rapists just trying to make ends meet is a felony offense.
 
Weapons/Scotland

Those Scots probably can outfight even the Irish and definitely the Limeys. The British system of forbidding self
protection is the result of this latter day blade carrying.

Unarmed populations are merely subjects, armed civilians are "Citizens" . Hang in there Scotsmen and throw off the ugly British cloak!
 
I don't think it is the 'English Cloak' they have had self government on such matters for years.

Weapons are very much a part of Scottish culture- afterall the true answer to what a scotsman wears under his kilt are shoes, socks and Skien Dhu ( a knife).

A problem we have in Australia at the moment- and in the UK and many other countries- and as a former Criminal defence Attorney I have unfortunately seen it first hand- is angry young people going out at night with a knife NOT for self defence but with the intent of starting a fight and it scares the **** out of me.

Paradoxically I think one reason America has not seen this phenomenon is that an 'armed society' (with guns) like the US is fundamentally a polite society.
 
Kind of odd, but a buddy of mine stays in a rough part of Camas.. and he keeps a piece of steel pipe with him in his pocket, a small one thats exactly the width of the palm of his hand. I finally asked him about it and he said it was to brace his fist so he could hit harder :eek: Beats a weapons charge I guess...
 
Glasgow's murder rate (All weapons)

127 murders - population around 577,869 (2002)


Some US Cities (2003)

Tuscon AZ - 47 murders, 514,618 people
Denver CO - 63 murders, 565,909 people
Washington DC - 248 murders, 563,384 (Total gun ban)
Jacksonville FL - 92 murders, 776,417 people
Indianapolis - 107 murders, 800167 people
Baltimore MD - 270 murders, 644544 people
Charlotte NC - 66 murders, 668003 people
Columbus OH - 109 murders, 726151 people
Oklahoma City - 49 murders, 521,681 people
Portland OR - 27 murders, 545271 people
Memphis TN - 126 murders, 653,858 people
Nashville TN - 74 murders, 554,888 people
Austin TX - 27 murders, 682,319 people
El Paso TX - 21 murders, 586,392 people
Fort Worth TX - 57 murders, 576339 people
San Antonio TX - 85 murders, 1,212,789
Seattle WA - 34 murders, 576,296
Milwaukee WI - 109 murders, 594,269
Detroit MI - 366 murders, 925,000

My county - 178,000 people - no homicides, 6000 NRA members.
 
The Scots are Celtic cousins(and I'm actually a trace Scot by blood) and good fighters, but outfight the Irish?

That's why my ancestors drove so many Scots away from Ulster to the US! (3/4 Irish by blood) :D
 
Outfight the English?!?! In who's paperback novel of fiction? :D

Now those Scots better hand in anything sharp and get back the plough and back to the factory if they know what's good for them or I'll take away their kilts which we English invented! :D
 
Glasgow Population is 900,000+

Dan - I think you will find that the rate you quote applies to Greater Glasgow which comprises almost a million people. Not to be too fussy about the stats though - the trend is bad news.
Almost every country is facing increasing lawlessness and street violence.

I don't know if there is a cure for this social disease. More police would help but in the end it's going to be up to the people themselves. They are going to have to self-police and bring their kids up right.
 
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