scope's what's a good one for bullseye

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WINSTON THE WOLF

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scope's what's a good REASONABLE scope. Not a cheap one, but a good one for bullseye target shooting. I just got into the sport and want to get better. I have a Walther p22. That you can put a weaver scope mount on. But have no clue what would be a good scope.

Thanks in advance
 
no offense, but a Walther p22 is not a good candidate for .22 bullseye.

I have a p22, and I love it as a plinker, but a super accurate gun, it is not.

For a good entry level bullseye gun that you can compete on the local level with, check out a used Ruger Mark II.
 
I shot a Ruger mark 2 target pistol last weekend , I did better with my p22. I laser bored the p22. My friend who owns the Ruger did better with my p22 also at 18 yards:D

At a match Monday I shot 3 bulleyes at 25 yds. My score was 507. out of 900 I am happy with that since it was the 2nd time shooting the gun and the first time at 25 yards. a scope might help.
 
I'd go with a good red dot for quicker shots. I use a C-more with 4 MOA dot on my 22/45 for the .22lr pistol shoots here.
 
I've had my fill of cheap red-dots from WalMart, etc. Stay away from them. You might well get one zeroed in, but the likelihood of it jumping out of zero is too great to bother with them.

I've heard Good Things about the Burris red dot (about $80-90), and the current gold standard is the Ultra Dot at about $130 from Larry's Guns.

My wife's first pistol was a P22, and she bought it after trying the Neos, Ruger MK ll and MKlll and a couple of others at a range, where they ALL jammed. We didn't know it was because they were too dirty to function!

Anyhow, I just bought her a dot mount and put an ultra dot on it for her and she loves it. She's still more accurate with her Browning Buckmark, MY buckmark, and my High Standard, but it'll be the P22 that gets pried from her cold dead hands. She flat out loves that gun for some reason.

BTW, don't let the nay-sayers (me among them) bad mouth your P22, there are folks that are reasonably successful with them in Bulls Eye shooting, and if they're having fun, what else is required?

All the best,
Rob
 
Thanks Rob, I think I am going to go with a scope. To help pin point my shots. All I see is a black spot at 25 yards. Yeah getting older sucks!!

From what I hear most red don't don't have magnification. And the gun club is going to be switching to 50 yards soon. I have been looking at Weaver, Bushnell, and Simmons handgun scopes.:D

But for a scope I can also use on my bigger revolvers.:D

The members shoot an average of 850 to 875 out of 900 points. Where I shoot. So I need all the help I can get.:eek:
 
WINSTON THE WOLF wrote
, I think I am going to go with a scope. To help pin point my shots. All I see is a black spot at 25 yards. Yeah getting older sucks!!
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You think getting old sucks? Try the alternative! :D

For all intent and purposes, all you NEED to see at 25 OR 50 yards is the front sight; the bullseye SHOULD be a black blob, or you're focusing on the wrong thing.

As unintuitive as it sounds, the target is NOT where you should be looking - if you're using iron sights, focus on the front sight, and if you're using a dot, focus on the dot. Ignore the target, it has darned little to do with your score, believe it or not.

The real problem with using an un-scoped P22 is that the sights are only very roughly adjustable for elevation, and the elevation setting changes between the long and short lines. The adjustment isn't much, because on a properly sighted-in pistol, the bullet is still climbing at 25 yards, and sinking at 50. The highest point in it's trajectory is somewhere around 40 yards in BE shooting. I generally RAISE the sights when changing from 50 yards to 25 yards by about two clicks on my dot - other dots and other guns vary in how much adjustment is needed.

From what I hear most red don't don't have magnification. And the gun club is going to be switching to 50 yards soon. I have been looking at Weaver, Bushnell, and Simmons handgun scopes.

But for a scope I can also use on my bigger revolvers.

The members shoot an average of 850 to 875 out of 900 points. Where I shoot. So I need all the help I can get.
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Honestly, if you're going to get seriously into Bulls Eye shooting, you really are going to be much better served by buying a pistol that has a trigger that can be worked on. The P22 trigger just isn't going to get you into Expert or Master territory no matter how much you spend on a scope or Eley Tenex ammo, or anything else. And magnified scopes are prohibited by the rules, so you're not going to get any help in that department.

As far as taking a scope off your BE pistol and putting in on a big revolver, I'd advise against it. You certainly CAN scope a revolver, and when it comes time to do so, I suggest you just buy another scope.

I shot a personal best 832 with my Browning Buck Mark last winter (with a trigger job and a few other mods you can read about on rimfirecentral), and since "graduating" to a High Standard Victor, I've bumped that up to 847 - and yes, I use a dot. I DID break 800 with iron sights, and at my age (55), I can't rely on my eyes s much as I used to.

Several of the folks at my club too shoot in the Master-to -High Master territory on a regular basis, and it's downright funny to hear them whine about their rare shot in the eight ring :rolleyes:

All the best,
Rob
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I got a red dot:D A friend gave me one to try out. I like it. Did awesome at 11 yards. Did good at 20 but 25yds is still a bit more difficult. but I can see the dot just fine compaired to the irons..... That was a major problem to me. Remember bad eyes:eek:

Do you have to change the red dot sighting from 11 yds to 25yds?

A guy at my range has a Ruger Mark 3 with an Ultra dot for sale. If I do better with the p22. I will probably get the Ruger next.

Thanks again
 
Old Gaffer is correct. Focus on the sight or dot. Target is a blur.
I recommend a Ultradot. They have a lifetime warranty.
I have a Marklll, nice gun, not so good trigger(out of the box). It is now my plinker.
Now I use a S&W 41 for BE. Hope to put a Clark barrel on it, one day. http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/
If I could do it all over, I would save for a Hammerli 208s.
http://www.bullseyepistol.com/ has a ton of info.
Personally I do not change my dot elevation, between 25yd and 50yd.
I put my aim point a little higher at 50yd. Standard velocity target load is what I have been using for BE.
Good Luck!
Keep it in the Bull!

Mark
 
Winston,

The question of whether or not you have to change your dot from 11 to 25 yards (or between any other two distances) is largely a function of which ammo you're using.

I presume you're using a high velocity ammo since the P22 won't reliably run on regular/standard velocity ammo. There's software out there that can calculate the rise/fall for a given "zero" adjustment, but the real answer is on your target; if your groups move between the two distances then you need to move your sights or dot.

BTW, having to use high velocity ammo is a real bummer in bulls eye shooting - it just makes coming back on target that much harder in timed and rapid fire. You might be able to find a gunsmith that can tune your gun to run reliably on standard velocity ammo, and if you continue in BE shooting with your P22 as your pistol of choice, it might be well worth while to seek him or her out.

Al the best,
Rob
 
I keep the same zero on my 22/45 set at 25yrds (our 8" plates are set at 15,25 and 50) and it does just fine using Federal bulk packs.
 
hoytinak wrote
I keep the same zero on my 22/45 set at 25yrds (our 8" plates are set at 15,25 and 50) and it does just fine using Federal bulk packs.
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8" PLATES :eek: Dang, if that's all I was shooting at I wouldn't even HAVE sights, much less worry about adjusting them :rolleyes:

The topic is BULLS EYE shooting, not "8 ring shooting".

Seriously, Hoyt brings up a good point, the ballistics of the .22 cartridge is such that there's not a great deal of rise/fall within the first 50 yards; it's generally between 50 and 100 yards where things start to fall apart, and beyond 100 yards, there's quite a bit of drop.

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This chart pretty clearly show that there's only a couple of inches variation between zero and about 70 yards - certainly not enough to warrant fiddling with the sights.

All the best,
Rob
 
I fired the NRA .22 National Championship match this morning at Camp Perry. It consisted of a 20 round slow fire match, a 30 round "National Match Course", a timed fire match, and a rapid fire match.

When I started shooting rimfire bullseye I was using an old stainless S&W M2206 with a "Famous Maker" red dot.

Pretty much El Cheapo Deluxo. Eventually dumped the S&W M2206 because it would jam too often with standard velocity ammo and the trigger was just gritty and awful. Probably had something to do with the magazine disconnect safety S&W insists on...except for their Model 41.

From there I went to High Standard .22 pistols. I really, really wanted to like those guns. But I ran into too many magazines that wouldn't feed ammo reliably. Got sick of having to do alibi fires at matches.

Then I went to the Ruger MKII. Here was something I could work with and Experts and Masters in my league used them too. I learned how to install Volquartsen triggers, sears, and match hammers. Easy stuff. I added on Herret stocks with an adjustable palm shelf. I added an Ultradot.

My scores went up. They would have continued to go up, but I decided to get an Italian Pardini .22 pistol. Then those scores really started to go up.

You are going to run into a wall with the Walther. You can't add an adjustable trigger or match sear or lightened hammer. You can't add a Rink Olympic-style set of grips. The gun is likely too light. A little more heft is actually easier to hold steadier.

Just me talking, but at a minimum I'd say Ruger Mk II or III for bullseye. You don't need an Ultradot (mine eventually broke). I use a cheaper Millet red dot and it works great for me.
 
Citizen Carrier,
I haven't had a Ultradot break on me yet. Did you send it to Larry?
I was just wondering if they do stand by the "lifetime warranty".
Hope you did well at Perry.
I heard it's been a little wet down there!
 
What happened is the rheostat, or power dial, lost it's "click" adjustments. It would just spin freely. Not sure what would cause that. Must be a worn detent in there or something. Not like I was rough on it or anything.

I did okay today. I'm on leave from Kuwait and I've been away from bullseye shooting since probably December. Most I could do in Kuwait was lift weights and do occassional dry fire with stock M9 pistols from the arms room.

On the NRA website:
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/champ3.asp#1

I come in on the third page of competitors out of four pages. I don't feel so bad, as I'm an "unclassified" shooter and I managed to score better than others who are classified.

Yes, it was wet. I have a few pictures of Lake Perry on my camera. I got rained out of the Harry Reeves and Distinguished Revolver matches, which I had to reshoot the next morning before the Preliminary Aggregate matce. I was completely soaked the first day and my feet and socks were wet all the next day.
 
scope for Bullseye

"From there I went to High Standard .22 pistols." Yes. Finicky magazines and all, absolutely the best American made .22 target pistol . I have shot a Victor for years - have a few mags that are very reliable.
I have also campaigned a Ruger MK.II but with less success - though I have shot my best slow fire score with it.
Pardinis are sweet. I have a Pardini free pistol that is a work of art.
About the P22 - I agree about hitting a wall with it. A fellow that started shooting in our indoor league last winter was using a P22. He, also, was shooting around 500. I lent him my H-S for a match and his scores immediately jumped into the 700s.
The scope is a one inch Ultra Dot. I also use the small JPoint reflex sights on my Ruger and on my Gold Cup.
Pete
 
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well I am getting better with the p22 my scores have gone up 504, 488 with irons. to a 631 with a red dot then a 664. but it should have been better 1 miss in 6 rounds then I went blind 4 misses in one round:eek: Still thinking about a Ruger. But I like playing with the Walter. I want to see if I can break 750 with it.

I know what the problem was. I literally went blind. I shot the first six rounds with distance glasses. shot the 7th with my working glasses. I can really only see up to about 10 feet with them before everything gets fuzzy. Went back to the distance glasses and no misses.

Next time I am leaving the working glasses in the truck!!!!:D
 
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