I’ve got a new Henry case hardened 30-30 and I am looking to put a scope on it. Will be used for deer season in January. I should note that I’ll be shooting Leverevolution Ammo from Hornady. I would like either a 3-9x40 or a 4-12x50. Rings and base recommendations are appreciated as well.
Scope for a 30-30
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Neither. Both are way more powerful (and heavy) than you'll need for a 30-30. That light, short gun needs a scope that matches it. Look at Leupold's 2-7 scope. It won't overbalance that little rifle. At 30-30 ranges, you don't need more than 7x. In fact, you'll likely find that you'll keep it around 3x for most of your hunting.
A 4-12x50 is nearly as big and heavy as the rifle. Even a 3-9x40 will be kind of big.
Notice how high these are. Too high changes how you hold the rifle.
http://www.skinnersights.com/scope_mounts_31.html
Henry USA says you need a Weaver 63B base for their .30-30. Which Henry you have matters though.
Then think a low magnification scope like those used on shotguns.
Notice how high these are. Too high changes how you hold the rifle.
http://www.skinnersights.com/scope_mounts_31.html
Henry USA says you need a Weaver 63B base for their .30-30. Which Henry you have matters though.
Then think a low magnification scope like those used on shotguns.
musicmatty
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My 30-year-old model 94 Winchester still wears it’s 30-year-old Bushnell sportview fixed 4 power. It will definitely get you in the bullseye at 100 yards. A 4 power scope in whatever brand you decide to go with should serve you well.
reynolds357
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I got the bright idea I wanted a 1x4 on my 30-30. It now has a 2x10 and I think its ideal. 3x9 works well too.
I shoot out to 600 yards with 6X scopes. Something with 1X, certainly no more than 2X on the low end will be a huge help for close range shots. Most 30-30's aren't shot past 200 yards. Having more than 3X or 4X at the top end is a waste. Anything above 2X makes it hard to find game up close and 1X is significantly better. I run 1-4X24's on my AR's for that reason and still shoot them at 400 yards on 4X.
Lever actions, especially Henry levers, are already among the heaviest rifle options out there. Most of them with just iron sights will weigh about the same as most bolt guns scoped.
A 1-4X scope can come in as light as 8 oz. Going up to 3-9X40 will be closer to 15-16oz. More magnification can get you up over 20 oz. Instead of a handy carbine you'll turn it into a heavy pig to carry around.
More magnification, without a huge front objective is a handicap in low light. A 4X scope with a 20mm objective lets through all the light a human eye can use. If you move up to a 10X scope you need at least a 50mm objective to let in as much light. Above 10X, or with an objective smaller than 50mm and you see better in low light with less magnification.
Lever actions, especially Henry levers, are already among the heaviest rifle options out there. Most of them with just iron sights will weigh about the same as most bolt guns scoped.
A 1-4X scope can come in as light as 8 oz. Going up to 3-9X40 will be closer to 15-16oz. More magnification can get you up over 20 oz. Instead of a handy carbine you'll turn it into a heavy pig to carry around.
More magnification, without a huge front objective is a handicap in low light. A 4X scope with a 20mm objective lets through all the light a human eye can use. If you move up to a 10X scope you need at least a 50mm objective to let in as much light. Above 10X, or with an objective smaller than 50mm and you see better in low light with less magnification.
Blindstitch
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I mounted up a 3x9x40 on my moms Henry 30-30 and she hasn't had one complaint. We also have similar setups on a Marlin 336 in 30-30, Marlin 336 in 444 and Winchester 94 in 30-30.
I don't know why people have such a big problem with this because if you wanted to keep things light and handy you wouldn't mount a scope period.
I don't know why people have such a big problem with this because if you wanted to keep things light and handy you wouldn't mount a scope period.
44caliberkid
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I just put a Bushnell Trophy 2x7 on a 450 Bushmaster. Nice little scope for less than $90. A fixed 4x would be nice too.
Cheapshooter
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Way to classic looking of a gun to ruin those great lines, and case hardened look with any scope!
Marble's tang mounted peep maybe, but scope, absolutely not!
Marble's tang mounted peep maybe, but scope, absolutely not!
There is absolutely no reason not to put a 3x9 on a 30-30, the gun is quite capable beyond typical brush hunting and 9x will magnify a deer out to 200yds quite nicely. Ive used a 3x9 on a 3030 for years, and recently put a new Leupold VX-R 3x9-40 on my 32yr old Marlin. The thing to look for in a scope especially for a 3030 lever gun is as wide of a field of view (FOV) as you can find at the lowest scope setting (34feet with the above Leupold) for fast target acquisition in brush and heavy timber. A 3x9 on a 3030 will transform the lever gun into a very versatile hunting rifle fast handling in the brush and 9x for a clear shot out to 200yds.
Go for an EGW i-piece '0-MOA' picatinny base with Warne Maxima "low" rings and it will clear the rear sight (without having to flip it down) and still offer enough cheek weld for shooting.
You can get the EGW base and Warne rings at Midwayusa and right now midway has a good selection of scopes on sale.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018662029?pid=767766
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1592119587?pid=729329
Go for an EGW i-piece '0-MOA' picatinny base with Warne Maxima "low" rings and it will clear the rear sight (without having to flip it down) and still offer enough cheek weld for shooting.
You can get the EGW base and Warne rings at Midwayusa and right now midway has a good selection of scopes on sale.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018662029?pid=767766
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1592119587?pid=729329
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bamaranger
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Bigger is not always better, and if you mount a 50mm bell on your lever rifle, you will be sorry. That big bell up front will require you to giraffe your head up off the comb of the stock for an awkward shooting position, and as noted, the bigger the scope, the more it weighs, and a 50mm scope weighs plenty.
Despite the fact that a lot of 3-9x40mm scopes have ended up on lever rifles, particularly the easily scoped Marlins, my personal belief is that optic is too much scope as well. And, I think that the 3-9x40mm just looks oversized on a lever carbine. If one must have a variable, I'd consider a tidy 2-7x33 as the top end. The lower powered variables with 20mm bells are not bad choices either. The simple fixed 4x is about all you will need for most shots at whitetails with a 30-30 offering simplicity and ample magnification for the reach of your 30-30.
I used to crow loudly about "no scopes on your lever carbines" but do so no longer. Main reason, I cannot run iron sights like I used to. Another, a half decent scope of near any kind will offer more shooting time in the AM/PM than any iron sight, particularly a peep. There is much good shooting done with iron sights, but a lot of it, particularly at any distance, is done on large target faces under ideal lighting conditions. Picking a sulking whitetail out of cover in marginal light will find iron sight hunters coming up short and having to pass shots, or make poor shots, that a hunter equipped with a scope might ethically take and make.
Bigger is not always better, and if you mount a 50mm bell on your lever rifle, you will be sorry. That big bell up front will require you to giraffe your head up off the comb of the stock for an awkward shooting position, and as noted, the bigger the scope, the more it weighs, and a 50mm scope weighs plenty.
Despite the fact that a lot of 3-9x40mm scopes have ended up on lever rifles, particularly the easily scoped Marlins, my personal belief is that optic is too much scope as well. And, I think that the 3-9x40mm just looks oversized on a lever carbine. If one must have a variable, I'd consider a tidy 2-7x33 as the top end. The lower powered variables with 20mm bells are not bad choices either. The simple fixed 4x is about all you will need for most shots at whitetails with a 30-30 offering simplicity and ample magnification for the reach of your 30-30.
I used to crow loudly about "no scopes on your lever carbines" but do so no longer. Main reason, I cannot run iron sights like I used to. Another, a half decent scope of near any kind will offer more shooting time in the AM/PM than any iron sight, particularly a peep. There is much good shooting done with iron sights, but a lot of it, particularly at any distance, is done on large target faces under ideal lighting conditions. Picking a sulking whitetail out of cover in marginal light will find iron sight hunters coming up short and having to pass shots, or make poor shots, that a hunter equipped with a scope might ethically take and make.
musicmatty
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Jim, that’s a fair question. 30 years ago this was my first rifle and set up with a scope. I guess being this is my only rig to work with back then, I learned how to live with it and make it work. It now has become my favorite go to rifle when heading out to hunt deer. I guess we learn to adapt with what we have to work with
FrankenMauser
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3-9x or more magnification is too much for my taste.
There are many reasons, but weight and height are big ones.
For a .30-30 (well, most lever guns, really), my upper limit is generally 2-7x for a variable, or 4x for a fixed power.
Whatever you choose to go with...
My personal preference is for Leupold. If the budget is limited, or I'm feeling cheap, I'll buy Redfield. (Modern Redfield, made in Oregon by Leupold. -NOT the Philippine Redfields, or older Redfields.)
I prefer Warne steel bases and Weaver Grand Slam rings. They probably make one/some for the Henry, but I don't know for sure. The soft aluminum bases have rarely had the right slot spacing for my use, and I've had two of them suffer galvanic corrosion, since they were mounted to (and with) steel.
Just remember:
No matter how big the image in the scope may be, the target is still just as far away and crosshairs represent the same point of aim.
My four longest shots on game (out to 650 yards) were all taken with magnification below 5x. Last year, I dropped two doe antelope out of a herd with two shots, each at 425-450 yards. After it was said and done, I realized that I had left the 3.5-10x50mm scope (on a .270 Win) sitting at 3.5x.
Magnification doesn't improve the rifle's performance. All it does is artificially inflate a hunter's confidence ... until magnification is too great, and the dancing image can't be steadied.
There are many reasons, but weight and height are big ones.
For a .30-30 (well, most lever guns, really), my upper limit is generally 2-7x for a variable, or 4x for a fixed power.
Whatever you choose to go with...
My personal preference is for Leupold. If the budget is limited, or I'm feeling cheap, I'll buy Redfield. (Modern Redfield, made in Oregon by Leupold. -NOT the Philippine Redfields, or older Redfields.)
I prefer Warne steel bases and Weaver Grand Slam rings. They probably make one/some for the Henry, but I don't know for sure. The soft aluminum bases have rarely had the right slot spacing for my use, and I've had two of them suffer galvanic corrosion, since they were mounted to (and with) steel.
Just remember:
No matter how big the image in the scope may be, the target is still just as far away and crosshairs represent the same point of aim.
My four longest shots on game (out to 650 yards) were all taken with magnification below 5x. Last year, I dropped two doe antelope out of a herd with two shots, each at 425-450 yards. After it was said and done, I realized that I had left the 3.5-10x50mm scope (on a .270 Win) sitting at 3.5x.
Magnification doesn't improve the rifle's performance. All it does is artificially inflate a hunter's confidence ... until magnification is too great, and the dancing image can't be steadied.
Don Fischer
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I get a couple 50# bags of dog food every couple month's. Have a little Ford Explorer sport pac to haul it in, works very well. Of course if it made me feel I could get a class 8 commercial vehicle and it would do the same thing! I have a perfect 30-30 scope IMO. It's on a 30-06. very old 2 3/4x straight power Redfield! Now I could put say a 6-24x50x on it and do pretty much the same thing!
reynolds357
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I trophy/cull hunt for bucks. I dont have time to go back and forth between binos and rifle. I want enough scope power to make that determination.
2damnold4this
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I use a 1.5X mini ACOG on my 336.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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A 1-4 variable. Such scope would be more than sufficient for the rifle caliber commented. When it comes to scopes and mounting hardware? In this case. A Compact scope model having excellent eye relief and mounting hardware suggested by the scopes manufacture.
As for me._ I personalty prefer Leupold products. "All those I own have never gave me cause to regret their purchasing"
As for me._ I personalty prefer Leupold products. "All those I own have never gave me cause to regret their purchasing"
A carbine 30-30 is best noted as a compact, fast handling hunting gun. Capable, in the right hands, of taking any game in N. America.....
IMO, mounting any scope with an objective larger than 32/33 mm would increase the weight, ruin the well known balance, and generally defeat the utility of the 30-30 carbine.
Also, it's my subjective opinion but a 30-30 carbine or even a rifle like the Marlin 336A, Win 64, etc. just looks a lot better with a compact scope.
The three 30-30s in our family reads as follows;
Marlin 336C, Redfield Tracker 2-7X32
Marlin 336CS (1960) old Redfield 4X32 with a post reticle
Marlin 336 "Texan" XS Ghost Ring aperture, post front iron sights.