Scientists respond to Gore's warning of climate catastrophe

According to real climate scientists, Gore is peddling a king sized load of hogwash (no surprises there)...:D

Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe
"The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists
By Tom Harris
Monday, June 12, 2006

"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. "While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. "They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies."

This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts.

So we have a smaller fraction.

But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.

Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. "The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."

Dr. Wibjörn Karlén, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."

But Karlén clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans. When Greenland and Antarctica are assessed together, "their mass balance is considered to possibly increase the sea level by 0.03 mm/year - not much of an effect," Karlén concludes.

The Antarctica has survived warm and cold events over millions of years. A meltdown is simply not a realistic scenario in the foreseeable future.

Gore tells us in the film, "Starting in 1970, there was a precipitous drop-off in the amount and extent and thickness of the Arctic ice cap." This is misleading, according to Ball: "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."

Karlén explains that a paper published in 2003 by University of Alaska professor Igor Polyakov shows that, the region of the Arctic where rising temperature is supposedly endangering polar bears showed fluctuations since 1940 but no overall temperature rise. "For several published records it is a decrease for the last 50 years," says Karlén

Dr. Dick Morgan, former advisor to the World Meteorological Organization and climatology researcher at University of Exeter, U.K. gives the details, "There has been some decrease in ice thickness in the Canadian Arctic over the past 30 years but no melt down. The Canadian Ice Service records show that from 1971-1981 there was average, to above average, ice thickness. From 1981-1982 there was a sharp decrease of 15% but there was a quick recovery to average, to slightly above average, values from 1983-1995. A sharp drop of 30% occurred again 1996-1998 and since then there has been a steady increase to reach near normal conditions since 2001."

Concerning Gore's beliefs about worldwide warming, Morgan points out that, in addition to the cooling in the NW Atlantic, massive areas of cooling are found in the North and South Pacific Ocean; the whole of the Amazon Valley; the north coast of South America and the Caribbean; the eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea, Caucasus and Red Sea; New Zealand and even the Ganges Valley in India. Morgan explains, "Had the IPCC used the standard parameter for climate change (the 30 year average) and used an equal area projection, instead of the Mercator (which doubled the area of warming in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Ocean) warming and cooling would have been almost in balance."

Gore's point that 200 cities and towns in the American West set all time high temperature records is also misleading according to Dr. Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It is not unusual for some locations, out of the thousands of cities and towns in the U.S., to set all-time records," he says. "The actual data shows that overall, recent temperatures in the U.S. were not unusual."

Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."

In April sixty of the world's leading experts in the field asked Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a reasonable request.


Tom Harris is mechanical engineer and Ottawa Director of High Park Group, a public affairs and public policy company. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com
Source: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm
 
Good information

Thanks for the page.

It's political this and political that, bottom line who are we to believe?

We are in a current melt down (society), that is the biggest danger. When we have a handle on that maybe the other stuff might seem important.:confused:
Sad really.

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There is no question that our society has made an impact on the environment in the past century. The industrial revolution and the proliferation of fossil fuel usage has put chemical compounds into the atmosphere than the planet has never had to deal with. Chlorofluorocarbons and other haloalkanes certainly have a detrimental effect on our ozone layer. Carbon monoxide from internal combustion engines and other sources add nasty smog to our air.


Now, all that being said it is utterly ridiculous what Gore and people like him are claiming. We most certainly have had an effect on the atmosphere and the environment as a whole but, as usual, junk science and deceptive "statistics" are being used to mislead the laymans into thinking it's so much worse than it really is. Still, credit must be given where credit is due. Many environmentalists and their ilk like to overplay the dangers but without many of their actions in the past the situation could be a lot worse. I don't appreciate the misuse of science but I can't deny that environmentalist groups have contributed to increased awareness about our planet and many causes of pollution have been reduced or eliminated.

That doesn't excuse the misleading claims of Gore and people like him, however. Recycling is a joke unless you're recycling aluminum and the biggest single producer of pollution in the world is the United States government itself, having to conform to none of the regulation it sets for private companies. Try focusing on that, Mr. Gore, and leave your wild eyed claims out of this.

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I just don't buy into the hype that man has that much influence on climate. After all, why aren't we still experiencing the Ice Age? There weren't any internal combustion engines back then. Could it be the earth goes through climate changes periodically and NATURALLY?
 
Why isn't Gore speaking out against the world wide population boom if he really thinks that "man" has such a negative effect on climatic conditions?
 
fmb42, the global warming catastrophy is an easy one to pin on Bush, with the election season comming up. Only the dems can help us now, or we're pretty much doomed. It's gonna get alot deeper.

The "Population Bomb" is from the 70s, that one used to scare me as a kid.

I hope they bring back that commercial, were the little girl is holding a glass of water, turns to her mom and askes: Mommy, can I have some more arsnic in my water?

The mother looks at the girl and says: Sure! thanks to George Bush we'll all get to drink 20 times more arsnic wih our drinking water.
 
volcanos

One single volcanic eruption can put more pollutants into the air than mankind has done in the last 200 years. Mt Pinatubo in the Philippines was reported to have done this a few years ago.

There are oil slicks in the North Sea, and other places around the world, that are natural in origin.

There are some places in the world that are naturally radioactive.

All this and more, in this world of ours. But, according to some people, climate changes are all our fault.

mankind can have a noticable effect on a local area, but causing global change? I find that hard to believe.

But maybe mankind is the problem. After all, we now have some 12 billion people living on earth, each of us radiating 98 degrees of heat into the environment. Maybe we should all jump up and down at the same time, to shift the earth's orbit out to where is is a little cooler.....right.:rolleyes:

Geologists tell us that there have been several major "Ice Ages", with warmer periods inbetween. We don't know for certain if the cycle is continuing or not, and in geologic time, we are living at what could be then end of one of the warm periods. We do know that within the larger cycle, there are smaller cycles lasting around 500 years, and we are at the end of one of those, as well. To think that our civilization could be responsible for the changes just doesn't seem right to me.

Whatever the actual causes, the idea that we can "fix" the situation is hubris.
 
carbiner, I'm heading down to the store in my full size Chevy truck to get some more beer and cigs so as to calm my nerves. No more drinking water for me. Maybe I should look into getting a new bass boat this weekend just to be on the safe side......
 
I am no Al Gore fan; hate him really.

That out of the way, this issue is very important.

There's no denying that we humans have a negative impact on the earth, globally and locally.

Studying species large and small tells us that we are directly related to their extinction or soon extinction. And, since each animal or plant serves a very importantly evolved purpose in the food chain and the cycle of life, eliminating one of those pieces of the puzzle can cause significant problems.

Further, humans are coming down with all sorts of nasty new diseases and the incidents of certain cancers or diseases has increased. Much of this is blamed on the changes in the enviroment.

While it is true that there is natural pollutions, humans contribute significantly to the air, water, and land pollution for which the earth must battle to cleanse.

It is one of the more important issues facing our survival as a species, and the survival of other species.
 
Maybe she's in on global warming with Bush.

At any rate, Im sure the liberal media will be helping poor AL out soon.

The NYT is hard at work right now finding scientists that will back his claims in their newspapers.
 
Our climate nowadays is cooler than in Classical times. There was a maximum around time time of the Greek invasion of Troy then a cooling spell then another warming so that when Rome settled England grapes were grown as far north as Lancashire. There was a cooling about the time of the fall of Rome then another warming during the Carolingian era. This followed with a cooling for the Dark Ages and another warming. A major collapse occurred so that Viking colonies in Newfoundland and Greenland perished. Then a warming occurred followed by another mini ice age just in time for American and French revolutions and the failure of Napoleon's invasion of Russia.

About the only thing this proves is that the solar constant isn't constant. My present sig line says it all.
 
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6 billion

but if you listen to a wackjob like ann coulter we should just keep going until there's only standing room left

For there to be only standing room left on the land area of the earth, there would have to be 148,940,000,000,000 (that's 149 trillion) people living on it, and I think by that time at least a few of those trillions of people would have figured out how to build a few space elevators and terraform Venus and Mars, or mine earth-crossing asteroids and the oceans for materials to build and sustain enormous ocean-based cities, or mile-high buildings for plenty of elbow room for everyone.

I take it you've never taken a cross-country airplane flight, or flown anywhere in Western Asia?

The population increase has already begun to level off, and over the decades it has become evident that a high standard of living and greater personal wealth is the most effective way to keep people from having a dozen kids apiece.

It seems to me that often when rich westerners moan about how terrible a population of 20 billion would be, they're really talking about how terrible it would be to have 20 billion brown people.
 
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