Science of a Phone Bill.

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I thought gas was high, and it is, but what about our phone bills. Cell or land line, talking is expensive.

Taxes! The gov found a great way to sneak a little more of your money into they're pockets.

Take a look at your phone bill once.

"Federal Universal Service Fee", that sounds pretty important, what ever it is.

"State Deaf Relay Charge", hmmmmm?

Or how about a: Municipal License TAX. Im glad we got that covered.

Can anyone tell me what a "States Gross Receipts TAX" is?

My favorite, is the one you pay after you have paid for the others is the, "State Fees"

Thats alot of Government TAXES just for one simple phone bill, and we haven't even gotten to pay the phone co. for the actual calls yet.
 
I heard somewhere that one of those taxes (may be the FUSF) was supposed to go towards rebuilding Europe after WWII...but got enough money for that pretty quickly. They just decided to keep it so they could get more money for more programs to enslave us.
 
Jguy101 said:
They just decided to keep it so they could get more money for more programs to enslave us.
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Isn't it funny that after we get saddled with a tax, regardless of its purpose or intended life span, it just seems to hang on forever, and ever, and ever, and ...
 
The sole purpose of taxes is so some useless government official can have a job. George Washington refused a salary upon taking office as did his cabinet. Look where we are 200 + years later. The government only serves the rich (who belong to the club) and the poor who get handouts because the rich want to sleep at night with a clear head. The rest of us who work hard (or are retired after working hard) pick up the tab.

Taxes allow for things that a free market economy would never allow. Economic studies have shown that taxes have caused more wars and poverty than would have occured without them.
 
atlctyslkr wrote:
Economic studies have shown that taxes have caused more wars and poverty than would have occured without them.
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Well, yes. Of course. Take away taxes and you take away the ability to maintain a standing military. Take away a standing military and you remove the ability for governments to engage in foreign adventurism.

"But you need a standing military, with men trained to arms, and in modern tactics, etc." you might say. Oh really? Explain, then, how Switzerland has managed all these years.

Imagine, if you will, a country with a progressive, democratic style of governance. Say, a constitutionally limited representative republic. One where the federal government's only responsibility was to oversee interstate trade and provide for the common defense. Imagine no federal taxes and no federal standing military. Imagine an affirmed right to keep and bear arms by the whole of the people. Such a country would probably have little to fear from its neighbours for two reasons: 1. Not having a standing military, it wouldn't have the means to engage in foreign adventurism. Thus nobody'd have much of a reason to resent it. 2. Anybody that did think they had cause to mess with that country would tend to think twice, being as its populace would be armed to the teeth.

Fascinating concept, eh? Ah well, one can dream...
 
On the way to the post office to mail my government fees in to the phone Co. I stopped to fill my car. I looked at the side of the pump, and it read 38 cents per gallon in government fees.

This is my day off too.

Why do I feel like I should be at work, so I can pay my fees.
 
How is ANY part of this little tirade

related to "science" as claimed in the header? :rolleyes:

Or firearms?

It's barely even political. Taxes exist; no-one likes them but they are a reality of life.

Next crisis.......
 
you pay for taxes on each product you buy. The folks making them have to pay taxes which they pass on to you. So not only do you pay your taxes but you pay other folks taxes as well.

You pay taxes on your wages, accumulate property and other things then when you die if your estate is over a certain size your estate gets to pay taxes on what your taxed wages have already bought.
 
Imagine, if you will, a country with a progressive, democratic style of governance. Say, a constitutionally limited representative republic. One where the federal government's only responsibility was to oversee interstate trade and provide for the common defense. Imagine no federal taxes and no federal standing military. Imagine an affirmed right to keep and bear arms by the whole of the people. Such a country would probably have little to fear from its neighbours for two reasons: 1. Not having a standing military, it wouldn't have the means to engage in foreign adventurism. Thus nobody'd have much of a reason to resent it. 2. Anybody that did think they had cause to mess with that country would tend to think twice, being as its populace would be armed to the teeth.

Fascinating concept, eh? Ah well, one can dream...
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We had a country like this once. Until the Spanish-American war we pretty much kept to ourselves. A few years after that a national income tax, World War I, and it's been downhill ever since.
 
I'll sneak this in beforethe thread gets closed...

Isn't it funny that after we get saddled with a tax, regardless of its purpose or intended life span, it just seems to hang on forever, and ever, and ever, and ...
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I'n NYS we pay tolls to use the NYS thruway..they were only supposed to be in force until the cost of building ot was paid for...That was something like 70 years ago...and we're STILL paying tolls...
 
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George Washington refused a salary upon taking office as did his cabinet.
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Not true. Washington offered to serve without salary if he were reimbursed his expenses. Congress, knowing Washington's lifestyle and thinking of future officeholders, wisely declined his offer and specified a salary.

And this thread is still wholly devoid of any "science." :barf:
 
Rule #1: Taxes are never levied for the benefit of the taxed. ​

The U.S. Income Tax was supposed to be temporary, to pay for WW-I. Somehow it's gone from a simple postcard asking for some minicule amount (1%?) of your earnings to the complex system today.

Why do we have a standing army? Lessons learned from history.

Around 1900, you had time -- perhaps as much as a week or two -- to muster troops and meet an invader along a border. In WW-I it took time to get enough men in service and trained before we could aid European allies. During WW-II our army could not have even adequately defended against a minor invasion since budget cuts had reduced our military to about 100,000 men. When war did break out, we were inadequately trained, armed and equipped. Modern warfare is more mechanized and much faster - and much more lethal. The ability to deploy significant numbers of troops quickly is critical.

Watch any of the World-War history DVDs (e.g. World at War) and see why we were so worried. By conquest, the axis powers could have controlled about 70% of the world's resources and forced occupied countries to fight for them, out numbering the U.S. by more than 12:1.

A tax, once levied, is nearly impossible to recind.​

After WW-II it was obvious that modern warfare would not permit us to play "catch up" yet again. The policy changed to one of containing communism, which required a larger peacetime military. In order to finance projects that would keep the U.S. ahead of the U.S.S.R., Congress continued and increased income taxes to pay for sophisticated (for the time) weapons systems.

Taxes for one purpose can be subverted to the opposite.​

The NYS tollway, the Pennsylvania turnpike, the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges - all are examples of wishful thinking. Taxpayers were told that a toll would be levied to pay off the cost of building. Unfortunately these projects require upkeep over their lifetimes and the "fees" are continued forever. Worse, commissions or boards are created which add bureaucracies to oversee the maintenance of the project and require taxpayer funding.

I'd NEVER vote for or support any special tax on guns or ammunition, no matter how "well intentioned". Once you open that door, unless tightly written, it can allow politicians to raise the taxes until few could afford to own or use them.
 
FUSE ? IIRC that's the one that was introduced to pay for internet service for schools .A total scam since at the time 80% of the schools were already connected to the internet !!! :mad:
 
I sit down with my cell bill, and the land line bill each month. It is almost as hard to figure out as the cable bill. Biggest problem is that even though its a phone bill, their billing office is the LAST place you can reach by phone.
 
the first phone bill tax was .005 cent for the cost of the spanish american war and was recinded in 2001

However, Goverrment then discovered the word Fee...........
 
number6, it's just a lite thread about all the taxes we Americans pay, so ease up.


Americans are finaly starting take a serious look at all this government taxation and spending, and thats good.
 
On a side note:

FLJim said--

But you need a standing military, with men trained to arms, and in modern tactics, etc." you might say. Oh really? Explain, then, how Switzerland has managed all these years.

The Swiss actually maintain a highly modern military with some of the best equipment currently available. Their air force operates from within caves that have been excavated in the narrow alpine valleys and turned into hangars. It's a conscription-based system, with all males citizens (not sure about women) required to serve either two or four year stints (also don't remember which.) Also, the Vatican Guards in Rome have actually been elite Swiss fighters for hundreds of years, and don't let the goofy ceremonial costumes fool you--they're highly trained and for every one you see there are several with modern automatic rifles you don't.

Switzerland maintains strategic neutrality, but it is still an armed neutrality. This only means they haven't signed onto any treaties like NATO or the old Warsaw Pact. They have carved out a unique place in the world because both the "good guys" and the "bad guys" all maintain bank accounts there and don't want to screw that up.

Sorry if I hijacked....
 
1040 Ez

The new Tax Forms...

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Address the issue

number6 [sic], it's just a lite [sic] thread about all the taxes we Americans pay, so ease up.
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In other words, it has NOTHING to do with science and your header was and is a complete falsehood.

Stellar post.:rolleyes:
 
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